Or is this another one of those not to be taken literally metaphors I keep hearing about?
Leviticus 24:11-14
';The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse; so they brought him to Moses. They put him in custody until the will of the LORD should be made clear to them. Then the LORD said to Moses: ';Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.';
This seems in contrast to Jesus telling the mob that wanted to stone a prostitute that ';if any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her';. (John 8:7). Has God matured from the OT to the New? Or is Jesus just more godly than his dad?The bible teaches us that anybody who has sworn using God's name should be stoned to death. True or false?
God D*amn it!! *Ouch* Stop it, Hey that one really hurt, you buttholes, I'll get you for this......The bible teaches us that anybody who has sworn using God's name should be stoned to death. True or false?
Look:
God is perfect, for one. So don't bother thinking otherwise.
This is a lesson. Not a contradiction. The Jews during this time were very disobedient. (Gold calf, for example.) So God kept having to do rather extreme things to keep them in line.
When Jesus arrived, it ended the need for the Law of Moses, and the new law was put into place. The trouble is, nobody paid attention. Jesus was teaching the pharasees and the sagasees a completely different lesson. The first passage is about how taking the father's name in vain is a REALLY bad idea. The second is about the need to forgive. They do not contradict, they merely teach two different things, to two different sets of people.
I suppose that's the best I can explain it...I hope the general idea got through.
I'm sure it was taken literally back then, and there are probably a few people who would still go for that just because it's in the bible. I think that people have matured. Well, most people.
Who cares what that comic book has to say.
That was a specific instance at a specific time in history. people get into a lot of trouble when they try to apply one verse out of context. In the time of leviticus, Moses and the people of Israel were in a unique relationship with GOD. Moses would go up a mountain and speak to the Living God or into the tent of meeting. he would come out of the tent or down the mountain with an unearthly glow on his face from being so close to God. God also led them in the pillar and the cloud. in this relationship, His Holiness (apartness) was near enough that a breakage of the commandments would have to be dealt with harshly.
this stands in sharp contrast to the time after Jesus. he being the sacrifice that atones (pays) for our sins, allows us to bridge that gap and come directly to God, without God condemning us for our sins.
so yes, stoning was used as a punishment for baspheming, but if you look at the context, the woman blasphemed the holy name of GOD that wasnt printed wholly in the hebrew torah to keep it sacred. There is nothing to compare it to today, because today very little is sacred.
sheesh
I haven't been stoned in several years---wanna pass the joint?
The old testament was pointing the way to a new day when Grace would abound. People were stoned to death as a punishment for their sins. When Jesus died on the cross, the law was no longer in effect. But when Jesus was yet alive, the Jews were still under the law. So, what Jesus was pointing out to them, is what a hypocrite, they were. No one is without sin, we all need to be stoned...But he died for us, he took our sins and put them on himself..Now we can come freely to him and confess our sins, and be forgiven. BTW...your question makes no sense,,because Jesus is God....
Goddamn right!
God became more mellow after his son was born.
false! there would be no more people alive!
Well, if you were living under the Mosaic law at that time, and that place, you would be subject to the laws that God clearly laid out. This person was not of the Israelite people, but was an outsider who came into the camp. He blasphemed God, and paid for His sin. God doesn't play, He is serious.
There is no connection to the passage in John. Under Jewish law, adultery was a capitol offense, but Jesus knew their hearts, and perhaps some also had been involved with this woman. Plus, under the law, both the man and woman were to suffer this fate, he is not present, perhaps he was one of the stoners. Jesus did not have to intervene, nor forgive her, He chose to do it, out of mercy and love. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, neither change, both are the same today, yesterday and forever.
I, for one, lament the decline of public stonings.
Clearly you've failed to read the very verses you quoted. Even assuming that the Mosaic Law is still being enforced, what does this vers *actually* say? Let's read it:
';The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse';
This is hardly the same as swearing using God's name. This is *cursing the name of God*.
Another mind-bending question solved by Captain Obvious
I've heard someone say God's name in vain, but they haven't turned to stone yet!!!
The Law is filled with rules and death sentences,... When Jesus came, He didnt destroy the law, but He paid the penalty for all sins. This was THE main reason for Jesus and this question would be answered easily if you would have just thought about it.
God gave special rules to the Israelites when He called them out of Egypt to be his chosen people through whom He would reveal his Savior to the rest of the world. There's another passage where a man was picking up sticks on the Sabbath who was put to death. God makes an example of people to warn others just like He did in the NT.
Acts 5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, ';Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.'; 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, ';Tell me whether you sold the land for so much.'; And she said, ';Yes, for so much.'; 9 But Peter said to her, ';How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.'; 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
Believers are no longer called to stone people because we are not under the old covenant laws that were in place till Jesus initiated the new covenant of grace. But God will still take people out when He wants to make a point like He did in the church of Corinth.
1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
false.
blaspheming is not the same as swearing.
blaspheme is speaking evil of or against. This has nothing to do with Jesus and the woman who committed adultery.
I have discussed this with my friends so I am glad you brought it up. How can anyone say they are taking the lords name in vain(swearing) if GOD is not his name. God is nothing more than a title, like king, or savior. I don't recall anyone saying ';I AM'; dammit. or ';Holy yahweh!
I've been pretty stoned before, but never to death.
It's just one more thing that is outdated about the Bible. Unfortunately, some of the Christians still hold on to that idiotic idea about homosexuality being wrong.
Leviticus also instructs parents to kill their children is their children curse them.
biblical judgement leaves much to be desired
ah...but Jesus has came and fulfilled the law...he has taken the punishment of sin upon himself....
thou shalt not judge, least thou shalt be judged
It sure was to be taken literally in its time. But we are now under a new Covenant with GOd through Jesus. This only applied to THe Jews before Christ. But Jesus fulfilled the law in his death and this is Gone.
This is why there seems to be a contradiction in what you see. So yes it is literal but no it does not happen Jesus took that punishment upon himself, he suffered that pain for the world.
I will get back to you at a later date on this one.
Friday, February 12, 2010
Why does this deceived world, and false preachers continue on going contrary to what the true scriptures teach?
the truth is even in every bible, even though all english, greek and latin translations are mistranslated, added to or deleted from, like the TRUE names of the Creator, Prophets and Apostles.Why does this deceived world, and false preachers continue on going contrary to what the true scriptures teach?
You say the Truth is in all Bibles then turn around and claim they are mistranslated. You answered your own question. Enough said.Why does this deceived world, and false preachers continue on going contrary to what the true scriptures teach?
One would have to ask Constantine. He made it the official religion of the Roman empire, as a recent convert and he assembled the books of the bible, editing out those things that didn't fit his political agenda, thus starting the tradition of Christianity holding political office.
In addition to that, Christianity has gained so much power that it has become a means to an end; Gaining and maintaining power over the populous.
That is not what religion is supposed to be about, but Christian leaders have been using it for just that purpose since the days of Constantine I of Rome.
Perhaps this is a question that you should pose to your leaders and not to the world at large, since Christian leaders have made it a point to arrogantly create more enemies than friends.
And should you ask your leaders, do not accept the ';take it on faith'; answers. That's just a dodge to avoid answering a question that they either don't have an answer to or just don't want to answer.
Do you really think that we should know the exact name of god, of the angels, prophets or the original language of the Bible? I think that the best think to do is to live our life as we see fit, but taking care not to do any harm to our fellow humans. I think the only true message is love your neighbor as you love yourself.
There is only one Bible, and by God's grace, we still have access to the earliest known Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
With the abundance of tools at our disposal to diligently research these original documents, there is really no reason to ever have to rely on any of the many different translations that are circulated today, let alone what any preacher has to say.
How about 2/3 of the world doesn't think that your Bible is worth wasting the trees it takes to print it?
How about accepting that Christianity is only a MINORITY religion (and becoming more marginalized every day, except in certain parts of the US)? There are only 2 billion people listed as being Christian, out of a population of more than 6 billion. (And a lot of those have left Christianity, so the number is grossly inflated. There probably aren't more than one billion people who actually PRACTICE the religion - which means that Christianity only encompasses about 16% of the world's population.)
How about the fact that most people (around 85%) consider your Bible a fairy tale?
How about the fact that it says in the Old Testament that, as long as the world still exists, not even a punctuation mark of the Old Testament can be changed, added to or deleted? So the New Testament is a violation of a direct order from God? (It doesn't say until Jesus establishes a new covenant, it says as long as the Earth - the planet - exists.)
How about the fact that - in the US - anyone has the right to preach anything, whether your particular cult approves of it or not?
There a few hundred other reasons, but I think I've made my point.
Because it is a play that must be played out, and when it has run its course people will realize it is otherwise, then more will wake up to the deeper meanings of what they hear or read. I look at it as just different stages of learning, like reaching a certain stop along the road where you can rest awhile and feel comfortable, but then the journey must begin again as you go forward. Life is a process of learning and we are all progressing at our own pace.
God works in mysterious ways.
Why does:
'; Therefore My people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowlage. ';
'; Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees and that write grievousness witch they have prescribed.';
'; Woe be unto the pastor that destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture ';
'; And if any man shall take away the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life......';
Bible prophesy being fulfilled!
Ummmm let me see, how about most readers of the bible can't read the original language... will that do you?...
Why not? they also rejected our Lord and saviour! Just like he said they would!
Because people are not in the light... and are unable to see past the false preaching.
And that Kingdom Gospel was about increasing the light. Click on my avatar for an explanation.
You say the Truth is in all Bibles then turn around and claim they are mistranslated. You answered your own question. Enough said.Why does this deceived world, and false preachers continue on going contrary to what the true scriptures teach?
One would have to ask Constantine. He made it the official religion of the Roman empire, as a recent convert and he assembled the books of the bible, editing out those things that didn't fit his political agenda, thus starting the tradition of Christianity holding political office.
In addition to that, Christianity has gained so much power that it has become a means to an end; Gaining and maintaining power over the populous.
That is not what religion is supposed to be about, but Christian leaders have been using it for just that purpose since the days of Constantine I of Rome.
Perhaps this is a question that you should pose to your leaders and not to the world at large, since Christian leaders have made it a point to arrogantly create more enemies than friends.
And should you ask your leaders, do not accept the ';take it on faith'; answers. That's just a dodge to avoid answering a question that they either don't have an answer to or just don't want to answer.
Do you really think that we should know the exact name of god, of the angels, prophets or the original language of the Bible? I think that the best think to do is to live our life as we see fit, but taking care not to do any harm to our fellow humans. I think the only true message is love your neighbor as you love yourself.
There is only one Bible, and by God's grace, we still have access to the earliest known Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
With the abundance of tools at our disposal to diligently research these original documents, there is really no reason to ever have to rely on any of the many different translations that are circulated today, let alone what any preacher has to say.
How about 2/3 of the world doesn't think that your Bible is worth wasting the trees it takes to print it?
How about accepting that Christianity is only a MINORITY religion (and becoming more marginalized every day, except in certain parts of the US)? There are only 2 billion people listed as being Christian, out of a population of more than 6 billion. (And a lot of those have left Christianity, so the number is grossly inflated. There probably aren't more than one billion people who actually PRACTICE the religion - which means that Christianity only encompasses about 16% of the world's population.)
How about the fact that most people (around 85%) consider your Bible a fairy tale?
How about the fact that it says in the Old Testament that, as long as the world still exists, not even a punctuation mark of the Old Testament can be changed, added to or deleted? So the New Testament is a violation of a direct order from God? (It doesn't say until Jesus establishes a new covenant, it says as long as the Earth - the planet - exists.)
How about the fact that - in the US - anyone has the right to preach anything, whether your particular cult approves of it or not?
There a few hundred other reasons, but I think I've made my point.
Because it is a play that must be played out, and when it has run its course people will realize it is otherwise, then more will wake up to the deeper meanings of what they hear or read. I look at it as just different stages of learning, like reaching a certain stop along the road where you can rest awhile and feel comfortable, but then the journey must begin again as you go forward. Life is a process of learning and we are all progressing at our own pace.
God works in mysterious ways.
Why does:
'; Therefore My people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowlage. ';
'; Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees and that write grievousness witch they have prescribed.';
'; Woe be unto the pastor that destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture ';
'; And if any man shall take away the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life......';
Bible prophesy being fulfilled!
Ummmm let me see, how about most readers of the bible can't read the original language... will that do you?...
Why not? they also rejected our Lord and saviour! Just like he said they would!
Because people are not in the light... and are unable to see past the false preaching.
And that Kingdom Gospel was about increasing the light. Click on my avatar for an explanation.
If a woman attempts to ';teach'; the Bible to men and she is in error, do you call her a ';false prophetess?';
Or do you call her a ';false teacher?';
**She really ';thinks'; that she is speaking truth!If a woman attempts to ';teach'; the Bible to men and she is in error, do you call her a ';false prophetess?';
I believe and trust the bible....
and YES most definitely call her out...I don't like it myself when people get it all wrong. Leave that to Atheists.If a woman attempts to ';teach'; the Bible to men and she is in error, do you call her a ';false prophetess?';
Why would she be a prophetess?
And why would I mame her for a mistake.
Show me one single person who has NEVER made a mistake.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone ....
A LIAR.
A person is a false prophetess if one is leading others to other gods, or one says, the Lord God said this and that and it doesn't come to pass. That prophetess didn't hear from the Lord.
I believe when the Lord calls a woman to ';teach'; that person is a true teacher. Of course she has to be called of the Lord. If she isn't called of the Lord, then she isn't in the right calling and may just be wrong.
I won't judge her, I would tell her the truth.
According to the bible no woman should be teaching the bible, it's an abomination...maybe they don't know the bible quite as well as they claim.
it depends what she is teaching!!
MAINSTREAM can be trusted like Methodist..
The term is Christian.
**She really ';thinks'; that she is speaking truth!If a woman attempts to ';teach'; the Bible to men and she is in error, do you call her a ';false prophetess?';
I believe and trust the bible....
and YES most definitely call her out...I don't like it myself when people get it all wrong. Leave that to Atheists.If a woman attempts to ';teach'; the Bible to men and she is in error, do you call her a ';false prophetess?';
Why would she be a prophetess?
And why would I mame her for a mistake.
Show me one single person who has NEVER made a mistake.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone ....
A LIAR.
A person is a false prophetess if one is leading others to other gods, or one says, the Lord God said this and that and it doesn't come to pass. That prophetess didn't hear from the Lord.
I believe when the Lord calls a woman to ';teach'; that person is a true teacher. Of course she has to be called of the Lord. If she isn't called of the Lord, then she isn't in the right calling and may just be wrong.
I won't judge her, I would tell her the truth.
According to the bible no woman should be teaching the bible, it's an abomination...maybe they don't know the bible quite as well as they claim.
it depends what she is teaching!!
MAINSTREAM can be trusted like Methodist..
The term is Christian.
How can you trust anyone to teach ou God's Word if the God's Word says not to trust false preachers & prophets
that's was 1 of the reasons I left Roman Catholic Church and ask God to send me the Holy Spirit to help me de-code what his Word really means. Sola Scriptura [By Scripture Alone]How can you trust anyone to teach ou God's Word if the God's Word says not to trust false preachers %26amp; prophets
You have to trust the Holy Spirit to give you discerment to know that you are being taught the truth. It has to line up with the word, and the truth always will.How can you trust anyone to teach ou God's Word if the God's Word says not to trust false preachers %26amp; prophets
The funny thing about truth is you have to be pure your self to see it. So I suggest you pray like anything to want to know The Absolute truth and He dose reveal. Go to www.essene.org for the Truth on Christ. You should read and pray and then make your decision. King Constantine took out so much from the bible and Paul messed everything up. He is proclaiming the word of Jesus who he never even met. This is the truth and believe this message is coming through me from God to you Do not fear, only seek truth and you Will get that but you have to discern. Don't stop look for truth.
You cannot rely on other people to interpret and tell you what the Bible means. You have to read it yourself, then you can assess what others are saying by what you know to be the truth you've read.
If you are asking the Holy Spirit is not going to be by Scripture alone.
if you wanted by scripture alone you will never make it.
the Scriptures were written thousand of years ago for other cultures and we have no idea what the meaning is with out reading and studying those cultures.
Also in the Gospels you will find that Christ walk the earth teaching his disciples so much that they themselves tell us that there will be not enough books to write about it all.
The Gospels were written base on the tradition of the apostles and the old testament was first spoken before it was written.
You can trust the one that teaches (preaches) directly from the bible.
A good teacher of the bible will have also studied cultures and history surrounding the time in the bible that he or she is teaching.
This way you can get a feel for what was going on in the cities surrounding the writers and why they were dealing with particular issues and not others.
I suggest a small non denominational church that teaches directly out of the bible. I have also been to a General baptist church that the pastors teach and preach directly from the bible.
Anytime a pastor or teacher states the bible says one thing but they believe it means another, be very wary of that person. Another more suble way that man puts his own agenda into preaching is when they stress one part of scripture as more important than another. All of it is important or it wouldnt be in there.
It's one reason I left religion. I studied the Bible myself. But then moved on when, reading for myself, I realized that I no longer believed in any of it.
thats pretty much what i did
i found it most helpfull when you come across a quote people will throw now and again to read the whole chapter ,it often means the oppisite of the selective quotes reason for quoting it
i also was free to read other scriptures such as the koran ,and marybaker eddie and the gnostics ,swedenborg and infinite other holy texts and study guides
concordances are a must ,also speak to the many other religions and believers ,they are all so helpfull and a very good source of quotes to read and digest with new open eyes
i drifted away from people this is a big disadvantage in only studieing the words ,keep people in your life ,real living people not just the words of the prophetts god sent to many men
in the end realise the church is allways changing ,that negative you now percieve may turn into a positive in time
the companion ship of people is needed in the end
better the belief system you were born into in the long run
i was told as a child i didnt need to read the word ,but then when i finally found it had no belief but the word
this is where i am lacking now ,i have drifted so far from any specific belief i respect them all yet wish i could enjoin one that i can say this is my belief ,alas i found god but god loves common-union and no one belief accepts the other this i hope will change in time
but this is in gods time alone
i love all the suns of light the father sent to enlighten man
but jesus stands supreeme but not as a god replacement
he taught us about our father
for this i love him
but the father created the sun for this i love him more.
Timothy 3:15
';if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.';
Timothy is reffering to the Roman Catholic Church which Christ founded on St. Peter, on whom he said that the Gates of hell would NEVER prevail against, the only church to survive for close to 2000 years!! Protestants don't have a central authority, that is why they have over 30,000 denominations!! while theCatholic church is ONE%26gt;
Sounds like you are a bible scholar. You must've read ';test the spirit to see if it is of God';.
read God words for yourself in order to know the different.
Do your research, i did research on Jehovah's Witnesses and found they are false prophets according to when Charles T. Russell their first leader said the world was going to end in 1914!! DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Latin Vulgate
Douay-Rheims Bible
Second Epistle Of Saint Peter
Chapter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their riotousnesses, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their perdition slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment
11 Whereas angels who are greater in strength and power, bring not against themselves a railing judgment. 12 But these men, as irrational beasts, naturally tending to the snare and to destruction, blaspheming those things which they know not, shall perish in their corruption, 13 Receiving the reward of their injustice, counting for a pleasure the delights of a day: stains and spots, sporting themselves to excess, rioting in their feasts with you: 14 Having eyes full of adultery and of sin that ceaseth not: alluring unstable souls, having their heart exercised with covetousness, children of malediction
Learn how to trust yourself and then you will know what 'truth' is right for you. The rule is:- trust your inner voice.
Everyone is not a false preacher or prophet. When in doubt, pray about it. Fasting and praying gives results or answers.
You have to trust the Holy Spirit to give you discerment to know that you are being taught the truth. It has to line up with the word, and the truth always will.How can you trust anyone to teach ou God's Word if the God's Word says not to trust false preachers %26amp; prophets
The funny thing about truth is you have to be pure your self to see it. So I suggest you pray like anything to want to know The Absolute truth and He dose reveal. Go to www.essene.org for the Truth on Christ. You should read and pray and then make your decision. King Constantine took out so much from the bible and Paul messed everything up. He is proclaiming the word of Jesus who he never even met. This is the truth and believe this message is coming through me from God to you Do not fear, only seek truth and you Will get that but you have to discern. Don't stop look for truth.
You cannot rely on other people to interpret and tell you what the Bible means. You have to read it yourself, then you can assess what others are saying by what you know to be the truth you've read.
If you are asking the Holy Spirit is not going to be by Scripture alone.
if you wanted by scripture alone you will never make it.
the Scriptures were written thousand of years ago for other cultures and we have no idea what the meaning is with out reading and studying those cultures.
Also in the Gospels you will find that Christ walk the earth teaching his disciples so much that they themselves tell us that there will be not enough books to write about it all.
The Gospels were written base on the tradition of the apostles and the old testament was first spoken before it was written.
You can trust the one that teaches (preaches) directly from the bible.
A good teacher of the bible will have also studied cultures and history surrounding the time in the bible that he or she is teaching.
This way you can get a feel for what was going on in the cities surrounding the writers and why they were dealing with particular issues and not others.
I suggest a small non denominational church that teaches directly out of the bible. I have also been to a General baptist church that the pastors teach and preach directly from the bible.
Anytime a pastor or teacher states the bible says one thing but they believe it means another, be very wary of that person. Another more suble way that man puts his own agenda into preaching is when they stress one part of scripture as more important than another. All of it is important or it wouldnt be in there.
It's one reason I left religion. I studied the Bible myself. But then moved on when, reading for myself, I realized that I no longer believed in any of it.
thats pretty much what i did
i found it most helpfull when you come across a quote people will throw now and again to read the whole chapter ,it often means the oppisite of the selective quotes reason for quoting it
i also was free to read other scriptures such as the koran ,and marybaker eddie and the gnostics ,swedenborg and infinite other holy texts and study guides
concordances are a must ,also speak to the many other religions and believers ,they are all so helpfull and a very good source of quotes to read and digest with new open eyes
i drifted away from people this is a big disadvantage in only studieing the words ,keep people in your life ,real living people not just the words of the prophetts god sent to many men
in the end realise the church is allways changing ,that negative you now percieve may turn into a positive in time
the companion ship of people is needed in the end
better the belief system you were born into in the long run
i was told as a child i didnt need to read the word ,but then when i finally found it had no belief but the word
this is where i am lacking now ,i have drifted so far from any specific belief i respect them all yet wish i could enjoin one that i can say this is my belief ,alas i found god but god loves common-union and no one belief accepts the other this i hope will change in time
but this is in gods time alone
i love all the suns of light the father sent to enlighten man
but jesus stands supreeme but not as a god replacement
he taught us about our father
for this i love him
but the father created the sun for this i love him more.
Timothy 3:15
';if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.';
Timothy is reffering to the Roman Catholic Church which Christ founded on St. Peter, on whom he said that the Gates of hell would NEVER prevail against, the only church to survive for close to 2000 years!! Protestants don't have a central authority, that is why they have over 30,000 denominations!! while theCatholic church is ONE%26gt;
Sounds like you are a bible scholar. You must've read ';test the spirit to see if it is of God';.
read God words for yourself in order to know the different.
Do your research, i did research on Jehovah's Witnesses and found they are false prophets according to when Charles T. Russell their first leader said the world was going to end in 1914!! DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Latin Vulgate
Douay-Rheims Bible
Second Epistle Of Saint Peter
Chapter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their riotousnesses, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you. Whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their perdition slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment
11 Whereas angels who are greater in strength and power, bring not against themselves a railing judgment. 12 But these men, as irrational beasts, naturally tending to the snare and to destruction, blaspheming those things which they know not, shall perish in their corruption, 13 Receiving the reward of their injustice, counting for a pleasure the delights of a day: stains and spots, sporting themselves to excess, rioting in their feasts with you: 14 Having eyes full of adultery and of sin that ceaseth not: alluring unstable souls, having their heart exercised with covetousness, children of malediction
Learn how to trust yourself and then you will know what 'truth' is right for you. The rule is:- trust your inner voice.
Everyone is not a false preacher or prophet. When in doubt, pray about it. Fasting and praying gives results or answers.
I understand that Islam teaches that all Non-Muslims must convert or die, is this True or false.?
For devout Muslims only please and please give a true answer, not how you feel but what Islam teaches.I understand that Islam teaches that all Non-Muslims must convert or die, is this True or false.?
Don't be so silly. Open your mind and read the Qua'ran yourself, and see what it teaches.
Don't listen to all these stupid close-minded people and what they say about it. All holy books have their own beliefs, and believe they are correct, and of course if you don't beleive you won't go to heaven/the equivelant of heaven. Islam just teaches the basic principles of what it believes is right from wrong, just like the Bible, Torah etc.
Please everyone, open your minds, and do some reading.I understand that Islam teaches that all Non-Muslims must convert or die, is this True or false.?
this is false
Read the Qu'ran and see what it says. No where does it teach this, but I did go to a Baptist church once and they told me I was going to hell because I was not a Baptist. ...... More people should read and research a religion before believing everything the media says....
No, I think you're confusing that with evangelical Christianity, which teaches that everyone who dies unsaved goes straight to hell.
it's ur choice,u will go straight to hell
I DONT
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SAYING
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MAYBE
IT
IS
TRUE
MY
FRIEND
GOOD
DAY
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U
(19) The Quran orders warfare and death for polytheists who refuse to convert.
Sura 9:5 says:
Then, when the months made unlawful for fighting expire, kill the mushriks [polytheists] wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, establish Salat [prayer five times a day] and pay the Zakat dues [charity tax], then let them go their way. (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 175; insertions mine)
This hadith leaves no doubt about Muhammad鈥檚 mission in Arabia and his known world:
islam does not teach that at all, im sorry mate, ure wrong.
False. think about it. if Islam allowed me to marry christian or jewish, should i kill her by now?
there is a clear verse in the Quran says no force in this religion. the truth has been cleared from the False. there is also a chapter in the Quran that clearly says we have our own religion and you have your own. also other verses ask muslims to forgive those who disbelieve. and be kind toward those who did not fight us for religion, neither tried to kick us our of home, which means be peaceful with those who are peaceful with you.
If you would read the Quaran yourself, you'd see that it teaches exactly what you said. No more, no less.
false
I am afraid what you know is wrong.
Islam does not teach that. Its the belief of a class of small number of fanatic muslims that ';everyone should be Muslim.'; Islam, however, has not stated anything like that anywhere, rather inspired to coexist with others. There are fanatics everwhere, right?
Just for further clarification, the wars Muhammed (pbuh) had to fight were mostly because of political issues where religion was used by his opponents as a weapon of hatred.
*Muhammed (pbuh) even had a christian wife .. now she wasnt killed, see?
Islam does not teach us that non-muslims should die, murder is a sin in all religions, as far as I know. What it teaches us is that as muslims, our responsibility is to teach others about our beliefs and inform them about what, we believe, is the true religion. I know that Christians believe this as well, to pass the word of Jesus on to others. I understand people may get offended by this, but that is what we believe. However, we also believe that everything is up to God (or Allah) so we can pray to him to make someone muslim. We are also taught, that just because someone is not muslim, that is no reason to disrespect them. Prophet Muhommad (SAW) had some non-muslim relatives of his own, I'm not exactly sure how he was related to them, but he treated them the same way he did all his other muslim relatives. I don't know if this helps, but I tried to make it as simple as possible. =)
Well, let's see what the Koran says:
';There is no compulsion in religion.'; (The Koran 2:256)
';If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.'; (The Koran 9:6) (note that this verse comes exactly after the verse that John W typed in)
';Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.'; (The Koran 109:6)
My brother, you asked a question and God's willing, you will get some of the most appropriate answers possible.
The religion of Islam never taught that all Non-Muslims must convert or die. And it will remain so until the end of the world. In so many verses of the Holy Qur'an Allah has made emphatically clear that as humans, you have a right to freedom of religious worship.
If you ever have to read the Qur'an, I'd like to refer you to a very simple and clear Chapter in the Qur'an, that is, Chapter 109 Verses 1-6.
It says,
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficient, the Most Merciful
1. Say, ';O You who deny the Truth, and, thus, by remaining ungrateful to the Creator's Ultimate Guidance, choose to live in darkness!
2. I do not worship that which you worship.
3. Nor do you worship that which I worship.
4. And I will never worship that which you have ever worshiped.
5. Nor will you worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your way, and unto me my Way.';
This is just a little of the so many verses and chapters you'll find in the Holy Qur'an telling you that there is no Compulsion in the religion of islam.
Despite the fact that, there's been false claims in various ways depicting what islam is not and would never be. the truth remains the truth and wherever there is truth it is not always difficult to see the light.
I hope this and other scores of ';RIGHT'; answers would give you an insight into the truth and not ';FALSE';
May Allah Almighty guide us onto the right path, Amin.
assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatahu
may the peace and blessings of Allah be with u
dear brother, when u read the quran try understanding it with an open mind. and also while quoting something try reading the verses next to it. when u say that this verse is preaching non-violence, then try reading the verses that are next to it also. then you will know what Allah is speaking of. please for ur Lord's sake
there have been many people who have given quotes from quran saying that Allah asks u to kill infidels or non-beleivers. but how many people know what a infidel is in islam.
in路fi路del (nf-dl, -dl)
n.
1. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam.
2. One who has no religious beliefs.
3. One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle
if this is the infidel u are talking and linking to islam, then u are wrong. an infidel is not a man/woman from the opposite Faith. it simply means a person who is leading astray from the STRAIGHT PATH, which leads to God. in layman terms, it means, a person who commits sin. and every right religion and God will say the same thing.
WHO IS AN INFIDEL/ unbeleiver/ kufr?
who are not kind and compassionate to entire humankind
infidels are people who torture others,
who dont help needy ,
who commit adultary, who lie, steal and kill
those who bear false witness against brothers
those who dont serve their parents and community
those who take taxes
those who associate false Gods
those who do not give charity
those who opress the orphans
those who burn widows alive with their dead hubbies(sati)
those who shave widow women bald (christianity)
those who considered woman was a slave and 3rd class citizen
those who say that a woman cannot give witness
those wgo play with a woman's reputation
those who say that woman cannot be educated or give sermons
those who let their women and men commit fornication
those who do not desire what they deisre for them selves
those who are not kind
those who are not patient and enduring
those who are arrogant
may the peace and blessings of Allah be with uformal hair
Don't be so silly. Open your mind and read the Qua'ran yourself, and see what it teaches.
Don't listen to all these stupid close-minded people and what they say about it. All holy books have their own beliefs, and believe they are correct, and of course if you don't beleive you won't go to heaven/the equivelant of heaven. Islam just teaches the basic principles of what it believes is right from wrong, just like the Bible, Torah etc.
Please everyone, open your minds, and do some reading.I understand that Islam teaches that all Non-Muslims must convert or die, is this True or false.?
this is false
Read the Qu'ran and see what it says. No where does it teach this, but I did go to a Baptist church once and they told me I was going to hell because I was not a Baptist. ...... More people should read and research a religion before believing everything the media says....
No, I think you're confusing that with evangelical Christianity, which teaches that everyone who dies unsaved goes straight to hell.
it's ur choice,u will go straight to hell
I DONT
ABOUT
WHAT
U
ARE
SAYING
ABOUT
MAYBE
IT
IS
TRUE
MY
FRIEND
GOOD
DAY
TO
U
(19) The Quran orders warfare and death for polytheists who refuse to convert.
Sura 9:5 says:
Then, when the months made unlawful for fighting expire, kill the mushriks [polytheists] wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, establish Salat [prayer five times a day] and pay the Zakat dues [charity tax], then let them go their way. (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 175; insertions mine)
This hadith leaves no doubt about Muhammad鈥檚 mission in Arabia and his known world:
islam does not teach that at all, im sorry mate, ure wrong.
False. think about it. if Islam allowed me to marry christian or jewish, should i kill her by now?
there is a clear verse in the Quran says no force in this religion. the truth has been cleared from the False. there is also a chapter in the Quran that clearly says we have our own religion and you have your own. also other verses ask muslims to forgive those who disbelieve. and be kind toward those who did not fight us for religion, neither tried to kick us our of home, which means be peaceful with those who are peaceful with you.
If you would read the Quaran yourself, you'd see that it teaches exactly what you said. No more, no less.
false
I am afraid what you know is wrong.
Islam does not teach that. Its the belief of a class of small number of fanatic muslims that ';everyone should be Muslim.'; Islam, however, has not stated anything like that anywhere, rather inspired to coexist with others. There are fanatics everwhere, right?
Just for further clarification, the wars Muhammed (pbuh) had to fight were mostly because of political issues where religion was used by his opponents as a weapon of hatred.
*Muhammed (pbuh) even had a christian wife .. now she wasnt killed, see?
Islam does not teach us that non-muslims should die, murder is a sin in all religions, as far as I know. What it teaches us is that as muslims, our responsibility is to teach others about our beliefs and inform them about what, we believe, is the true religion. I know that Christians believe this as well, to pass the word of Jesus on to others. I understand people may get offended by this, but that is what we believe. However, we also believe that everything is up to God (or Allah) so we can pray to him to make someone muslim. We are also taught, that just because someone is not muslim, that is no reason to disrespect them. Prophet Muhommad (SAW) had some non-muslim relatives of his own, I'm not exactly sure how he was related to them, but he treated them the same way he did all his other muslim relatives. I don't know if this helps, but I tried to make it as simple as possible. =)
Well, let's see what the Koran says:
';There is no compulsion in religion.'; (The Koran 2:256)
';If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.'; (The Koran 9:6) (note that this verse comes exactly after the verse that John W typed in)
';Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.'; (The Koran 109:6)
My brother, you asked a question and God's willing, you will get some of the most appropriate answers possible.
The religion of Islam never taught that all Non-Muslims must convert or die. And it will remain so until the end of the world. In so many verses of the Holy Qur'an Allah has made emphatically clear that as humans, you have a right to freedom of religious worship.
If you ever have to read the Qur'an, I'd like to refer you to a very simple and clear Chapter in the Qur'an, that is, Chapter 109 Verses 1-6.
It says,
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficient, the Most Merciful
1. Say, ';O You who deny the Truth, and, thus, by remaining ungrateful to the Creator's Ultimate Guidance, choose to live in darkness!
2. I do not worship that which you worship.
3. Nor do you worship that which I worship.
4. And I will never worship that which you have ever worshiped.
5. Nor will you worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your way, and unto me my Way.';
This is just a little of the so many verses and chapters you'll find in the Holy Qur'an telling you that there is no Compulsion in the religion of islam.
Despite the fact that, there's been false claims in various ways depicting what islam is not and would never be. the truth remains the truth and wherever there is truth it is not always difficult to see the light.
I hope this and other scores of ';RIGHT'; answers would give you an insight into the truth and not ';FALSE';
May Allah Almighty guide us onto the right path, Amin.
assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatahu
may the peace and blessings of Allah be with u
dear brother, when u read the quran try understanding it with an open mind. and also while quoting something try reading the verses next to it. when u say that this verse is preaching non-violence, then try reading the verses that are next to it also. then you will know what Allah is speaking of. please for ur Lord's sake
there have been many people who have given quotes from quran saying that Allah asks u to kill infidels or non-beleivers. but how many people know what a infidel is in islam.
in路fi路del (nf-dl, -dl)
n.
1. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam.
2. One who has no religious beliefs.
3. One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle
if this is the infidel u are talking and linking to islam, then u are wrong. an infidel is not a man/woman from the opposite Faith. it simply means a person who is leading astray from the STRAIGHT PATH, which leads to God. in layman terms, it means, a person who commits sin. and every right religion and God will say the same thing.
WHO IS AN INFIDEL/ unbeleiver/ kufr?
who are not kind and compassionate to entire humankind
infidels are people who torture others,
who dont help needy ,
who commit adultary, who lie, steal and kill
those who bear false witness against brothers
those who dont serve their parents and community
those who take taxes
those who associate false Gods
those who do not give charity
those who opress the orphans
those who burn widows alive with their dead hubbies(sati)
those who shave widow women bald (christianity)
those who considered woman was a slave and 3rd class citizen
those who say that a woman cannot give witness
those wgo play with a woman's reputation
those who say that woman cannot be educated or give sermons
those who let their women and men commit fornication
those who do not desire what they deisre for them selves
those who are not kind
those who are not patient and enduring
those who are arrogant
may the peace and blessings of Allah be with u
Why did the false religious zealots kill Folly when all he tried to do was teach love and peace in Giggles?
';And the people took Folly and cast him in the fire and he was now dead and they called upon the great priest and he said, ';Ye have done the Lord's work.Let not this Demon hasten your works and let all see this and know it is God's will and the day of the witch hunts shall begin anew.';.'; G.A.F 1:16
Source:
http://www.freewebs.com/holyfairy/folly.鈥?/a>Why did the false religious zealots kill Folly when all he tried to do was teach love and peace in Giggles?
It is sad because they are full of hate.Back then they killed many people because they were trying to control what people believed in.It is a pity they did not get Giggles' message.I do though!Why did the false religious zealots kill Folly when all he tried to do was teach love and peace in Giggles?
If you don't believe in GOD then why does it matter to you what a Christian believes?
Why would you waste your time here in the Religion and Spirituality section if you don't believe in GOD or a ';Religion';?
Your endeavor seems pointless and aimless and, above all, senseless.
You need to do some serious growing up and maturing.
Source:
http://www.freewebs.com/holyfairy/folly.鈥?/a>Why did the false religious zealots kill Folly when all he tried to do was teach love and peace in Giggles?
It is sad because they are full of hate.Back then they killed many people because they were trying to control what people believed in.It is a pity they did not get Giggles' message.I do though!Why did the false religious zealots kill Folly when all he tried to do was teach love and peace in Giggles?
If you don't believe in GOD then why does it matter to you what a Christian believes?
Why would you waste your time here in the Religion and Spirituality section if you don't believe in GOD or a ';Religion';?
Your endeavor seems pointless and aimless and, above all, senseless.
You need to do some serious growing up and maturing.
Are children being taught something that has been proven over and over to be false.?
What will be the impact on theses children's future?
I shudder to think!
';This Memorial Day, the religious right will launch one of the most outrageous campaigns to date in their war on science: the $27 million “Creation Museum” in Petersburg, Kentucky.
The “Museum,” which was built by the religious right organization Answers in Genesis (AiG), is dedicated to the falsehood that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, claims that humans and dinosaurs coexisted a few thousand years ago, and has but one goal: to institutionalize the lie that science supports these fairytales.
This institution is only the most recent example of the religious right's war on science education - whether in the form of anti-evolution stickers in textbooks or the promotion of intelligent design in the classroom.';Are children being taught something that has been proven over and over to be false.?
Hopefully some kids will shake off the bug of religious/creationist nonsense, just like they do Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.Are children being taught something that has been proven over and over to be false.?
Opinions are like heads--everybody has at least one. Why do you fear another opinion. You cannot say scientifically they are wrong. You can only say you differ--if you are a true scientist
Creation hasn't been proven false, ever. However, if you think evolution is true, then prove that life can come from nonlife without intelligent direction or produce ten mutations that produce genetic information. You need millions, but we'll start with ten. Everyone has axioms, things they assume to be true, and based on those they interpret evidence. You assume God doesn't exist, creationists assume He does. The fact that there are cultures all over which have accounts of there being a worldwide flood indicates that there was one. In addition, fossils found in sedimentary rock shows there was one, for something to fossilize, it must be buried quickly, otherwise animals will eat the flesh and the bones will deteriorate. A flood would bury them quickly, being left out to be buried over a few months wouldn't.
No, actually they are being taught something that has been proven over and over to be accurate.
Also, ';the religious right will launch one of the most outrageous campaigns to date in their war on science'; is far from accurate. It might be perceived as a war on evolutionism, but that is hardly science as a whole.
Yours is only one opinion of many..
Because the religious right is RIGHT and don't worry you haven't seen the rest of the iceberg yet because the truth will not be stopped. Yes dinos and humans walked this planet together and yes we have 6 to 7 thousand years since creation..
What you don't realise or want to hear is that SCIENCE PROVES THE BIBLE.
Science has proved nothing. So why do you get upset when someone sets the record straight. C.S. Lewis says science keeps repeating the same experiments until the scientist believe them to be true even though they are not.
i CHOOSE to believe in creation. i respect science. the two can co exist for me because --I don't have to have all the answers-- to be happy. i find science fascinating. i also find creation and our Creator fascinating.
parents need to teach their children to the best of their ability and knowledge and ultimately the child will learn and choose their own beliefs. i know that my children are taught many different things and i also know that what i have taught them, has a strong impact on them.
why do we have to prove one right and the other wrong or vice versa?
I shudder to think!
';This Memorial Day, the religious right will launch one of the most outrageous campaigns to date in their war on science: the $27 million “Creation Museum” in Petersburg, Kentucky.
The “Museum,” which was built by the religious right organization Answers in Genesis (AiG), is dedicated to the falsehood that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, claims that humans and dinosaurs coexisted a few thousand years ago, and has but one goal: to institutionalize the lie that science supports these fairytales.
This institution is only the most recent example of the religious right's war on science education - whether in the form of anti-evolution stickers in textbooks or the promotion of intelligent design in the classroom.';Are children being taught something that has been proven over and over to be false.?
Hopefully some kids will shake off the bug of religious/creationist nonsense, just like they do Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.Are children being taught something that has been proven over and over to be false.?
Opinions are like heads--everybody has at least one. Why do you fear another opinion. You cannot say scientifically they are wrong. You can only say you differ--if you are a true scientist
Creation hasn't been proven false, ever. However, if you think evolution is true, then prove that life can come from nonlife without intelligent direction or produce ten mutations that produce genetic information. You need millions, but we'll start with ten. Everyone has axioms, things they assume to be true, and based on those they interpret evidence. You assume God doesn't exist, creationists assume He does. The fact that there are cultures all over which have accounts of there being a worldwide flood indicates that there was one. In addition, fossils found in sedimentary rock shows there was one, for something to fossilize, it must be buried quickly, otherwise animals will eat the flesh and the bones will deteriorate. A flood would bury them quickly, being left out to be buried over a few months wouldn't.
No, actually they are being taught something that has been proven over and over to be accurate.
Also, ';the religious right will launch one of the most outrageous campaigns to date in their war on science'; is far from accurate. It might be perceived as a war on evolutionism, but that is hardly science as a whole.
Yours is only one opinion of many..
Because the religious right is RIGHT and don't worry you haven't seen the rest of the iceberg yet because the truth will not be stopped. Yes dinos and humans walked this planet together and yes we have 6 to 7 thousand years since creation..
What you don't realise or want to hear is that SCIENCE PROVES THE BIBLE.
Science has proved nothing. So why do you get upset when someone sets the record straight. C.S. Lewis says science keeps repeating the same experiments until the scientist believe them to be true even though they are not.
i CHOOSE to believe in creation. i respect science. the two can co exist for me because --I don't have to have all the answers-- to be happy. i find science fascinating. i also find creation and our Creator fascinating.
parents need to teach their children to the best of their ability and knowledge and ultimately the child will learn and choose their own beliefs. i know that my children are taught many different things and i also know that what i have taught them, has a strong impact on them.
why do we have to prove one right and the other wrong or vice versa?
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