Why don't u get it?
Jesus said it over and over again, HE IS THE FATHER!! HE IS GOD in the FLESH. What makes him the son is the fact that he had a HUMAN body(carnal flesh)!! Hes both at the same time!!
Jesus told Philip in John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. ARE THEY NOT ONE??
JESUS TOLD the DEVIL in :
Matt 4:7
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Wasn't Jesus the one who was being tempted? Oh yeah maybe that means that Jesus is the Lord GOD!! cmon ppl lets all rightly divide the word of truth!!
2 Tim 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.If you believe in God then doesn't God's word teach you that the Trinity is indeed false?
You are absolutely correct. Constantine forced the council of Nicea's vote to be law and anyone caught embracing the disciples teaching of 'Jesus name baptism' or 'Oneness' would be executed as a heretic. As a matter of fact when all parties were invited to the council of Nicea Oneness believers were hunted down and executed prior to the council's meeting.
One word of advice; just because you have knowledge of the truth (which is a gift to you from God and not your own wisdom lest you should boast) does not mean that you or your Church does not error in other very key areas. If there is hypocrisy in the Church or there is 'the buddy system' in the Church or there is demands on the fellowship in the Church from the pulpit that even our Lord has not commanded than you need to remember Paul's advice; ';work out your own salvation with much fear and trembling';. Do not be a follower of man, if faith is important to you make sure that your faith is in the right place, not in man.If you believe in God then doesn't God's word teach you that the Trinity is indeed false?
';And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us';';.........
';For God so Love the world and he give is only son, for whoever believe him will not be perish but have everlasting life';
';The father and i are one';
';And in the third day he was risen to the dead';...
';Jesus seated in the right hand of the father';......
Ponder this words maybe it will englighten you........
Read your own question and you will see that you have called Jesus a three in one person that is a trinity my friend.
Then how is he a son of himself.
';As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, 鈥楪ood Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?鈥?And Jesus said to him, 鈥榃hy do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.鈥?quot; Mark 10:17-18
how do you explain that?
NIV John 9:13
13. Jesus answered, ';My teaching is not my own, it comes from the one who sent me.';
and who was he talking to when he said:
';My God, My God, why has though forsaken me';
I am not a christian, but rather a muslim, i believe he was a prophet. He was ';elevated'; to son of god and a god after he died by the 40 or so people that wrote the bible because of their love for him.
God has no sons and has no partners.
You are mistaken just because the doctrine of the Trinity is hard to grasp that does not make it false.
And it's attested several times in the Bible although not explicitly.
If you just go by the Bible alone you can come up with various exotic doctrines that are not Christian at all.
God is indeed one, the Most Blessed Trinity to whom be glory forever, world without end.
Super simple answer to this one: There is no God.
Yes
No the Trinity is very real. Read John Chapter 1. There is only one Lord and His name is Jesus Christ God Almighty
The trinity is true anything else is false teaching. When will you learn how to read scripture?
Even the devil can quote scripture, goes the old saying. I'm sure there are counter biblical citations that people who believe in the trinity can provide. People have been dying and killing over ';is the three one'; or ';is the one three'; for centuries. To me, it is all ludicrous.
Jesus was the son, when he arose from the dead he became the holy ghost. When Christ said he is within me he was stating that he was God in a manly form.
If Jesus was God, who in the world was he praying to? Himself? That makes no since and seems a bit bi-polar. In the garden when Jesus asked God to remove this cup, but not his will be done but the Father's, what was that about? When Jesus said that the Father was greater than him, what was that about? When Jesus said that he and the Father are one, why did he leave out the Holy Spirit? Aren't they suppose to be three in one? Why is every sin forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Never not once did Jesus ever refer to himself as God, but as God's son he did repeatedly. How is it that Jesus did not know the hour when the world would end, only his Father knew?
I do believe that God and Jesus and The holy Spirit work together, but the are three very separate. God being the one and only true God. Jesus his only begotten son, first creation of everything. The Holy Spirit being God's active force to help us.They are in union with one another, just as a husband and wife are one, but separate.
Your question is a little confusing, but you are correct, Jesus is God.
ya'll are all veyr wrong... If you practice proper hermenuetics, and interpret it correctly, you will see that the Bible states and explains the trinity... the Trinity is something that we cannot fully understand,, there is NO earthly comparisson. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One, and there are many verses that show them as ONE. But also many more verses that show them seperatly. Like when Jesus was baptized, the holy spirit sat on His shoulder like dove and God was heard from Heaven sayin he was pleased.. Also Read Genisis.. there are many plurals mentioned when God talks. I know it's very hard to grasp that they are one and three,, but there are not 3 gods only one God. With 3 different functions. I have many more verses and examples if you need them i can get them to you, but belief in the Trinity (or not) can effect your salvation.!! So study carefully!! You really need to know who God is who Jesus Is and who the Holy Spirit is to really be ';full';
God is one and not a trinity period!!
peace.
Your full of crap
why are you trying to convert Christians to the truth....we know the truth ...it has set us free.....you are the blind one .....the trinity is real....read the word...
Friday, February 12, 2010
False conversion? Believism? Does ';Way of the Master'; teach this?
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/faq.shtml
Here is an extraction from the websites FAQ: ';I have just read The Way of the Master -- and I am scared that I'm not saved.';
Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort run this website, along with the entire ministry.
After reading some of their FAQ, one thing that stuck out was Kirks remarks about sinning a couple times after his conversion at age 17, and his repentance of them.
Speaking for myself,if I am honest with myself, I sin much more than that. Thoughts, anger,speeding and other breaking of the law...which is what defines sin.
It would seem to me that I would need to isolate myself on a desert island or other type of solitary confinement to avoid the carnal thoughts and influences I deal with daily.......and I doubt the island thing would help.
Is there more to just believing that Jesus is Christ, the only begotten Son of God in order to be saved?
What are some thoughts?False conversion? Believism? Does ';Way of the Master'; teach this?
It is enough to just believe in Jesus. The ';sin counting'; and ';list keeping of sins'; is not biblical, in my opinion. Jesus died for all our sins past, present, and future.False conversion? Believism? Does ';Way of the Master'; teach this?
All of the things you mentioned are common to the human being. We have a mind that registers things and character and emotion that acts out. The word being ';saved'; has been a stumbling block to many christians. We are being ';saved'; everyday that we improve ourselves and choose to become better persons and overcome personal character defects. I believe our aim as christians is to overcome these defects but it certainly is not a one-time thing and happens over a period of time. And certainly we are still ';saved'; as we are improving.
Don't worry about it. Everyone has their own walk with God and everyone is at a different place with God in their walk. Some people sin less than others. The way of the master is very strict in how they describe how you should live, but it is not how Christ wants you to live. Yes He would like to see you obey the 10 commandments, but He knows we can't. Just recognize when you sin and ask for forgiveness. Just have a relationship with Christ. In the end, that is all that He wants. Do you really believe that Kirk and Ray don't sin? They do. Everybody does. The only One who walked this earth who didn't sin was Christ. Good luck.
There is still a need for repentance after you become saved. But it is not for the purpose of salvation, it is for keeping yourself in a right and true relationship with God. Your sin has been forgiven, but your acknowledgment of current sin to God allows Him to work in your life to make you more like Jesus. That's the purpose we live for, to be more like Jesus and to glorify our Father. If you feel unsure of your salvation, it may be Satan, reminding you of your past to keep you from experiencing God's best for you while you are here on earth. When you sin (notice I did not say ';if';), admit it to God, ask Him to help you live a life that pleases Him and tell Satan to knock it off because He does not have an authority over you.
Here is an extraction from the websites FAQ: ';I have just read The Way of the Master -- and I am scared that I'm not saved.';
Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort run this website, along with the entire ministry.
After reading some of their FAQ, one thing that stuck out was Kirks remarks about sinning a couple times after his conversion at age 17, and his repentance of them.
Speaking for myself,if I am honest with myself, I sin much more than that. Thoughts, anger,speeding and other breaking of the law...which is what defines sin.
It would seem to me that I would need to isolate myself on a desert island or other type of solitary confinement to avoid the carnal thoughts and influences I deal with daily.......and I doubt the island thing would help.
Is there more to just believing that Jesus is Christ, the only begotten Son of God in order to be saved?
What are some thoughts?False conversion? Believism? Does ';Way of the Master'; teach this?
It is enough to just believe in Jesus. The ';sin counting'; and ';list keeping of sins'; is not biblical, in my opinion. Jesus died for all our sins past, present, and future.False conversion? Believism? Does ';Way of the Master'; teach this?
All of the things you mentioned are common to the human being. We have a mind that registers things and character and emotion that acts out. The word being ';saved'; has been a stumbling block to many christians. We are being ';saved'; everyday that we improve ourselves and choose to become better persons and overcome personal character defects. I believe our aim as christians is to overcome these defects but it certainly is not a one-time thing and happens over a period of time. And certainly we are still ';saved'; as we are improving.
Don't worry about it. Everyone has their own walk with God and everyone is at a different place with God in their walk. Some people sin less than others. The way of the master is very strict in how they describe how you should live, but it is not how Christ wants you to live. Yes He would like to see you obey the 10 commandments, but He knows we can't. Just recognize when you sin and ask for forgiveness. Just have a relationship with Christ. In the end, that is all that He wants. Do you really believe that Kirk and Ray don't sin? They do. Everybody does. The only One who walked this earth who didn't sin was Christ. Good luck.
There is still a need for repentance after you become saved. But it is not for the purpose of salvation, it is for keeping yourself in a right and true relationship with God. Your sin has been forgiven, but your acknowledgment of current sin to God allows Him to work in your life to make you more like Jesus. That's the purpose we live for, to be more like Jesus and to glorify our Father. If you feel unsure of your salvation, it may be Satan, reminding you of your past to keep you from experiencing God's best for you while you are here on earth. When you sin (notice I did not say ';if';), admit it to God, ask Him to help you live a life that pleases Him and tell Satan to knock it off because He does not have an authority over you.
';You can't teach an old dog new tricks'; . . . True? or False?
False';You can't teach an old dog new tricks'; . . . True? or False?
False thanks to Mythbusters';You can't teach an old dog new tricks'; . . . True? or False?
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false
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False thanks to Mythbusters';You can't teach an old dog new tricks'; . . . True? or False?
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false
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If we are taught, not to use double negatives, in school; then why is fiction false and nonfiction not false?
Double negatives refer to negating words: not, never, nothing, nobody, etc. The purpose of this rule is to improve clarity. For example, ';He is not nobody'; or ';I never did nothing'; could mean two different things depending on whether you take one of the negations as a negation or an intensifier.
OTOH, while fiction has an implication of falseness, there is much more to the meaning that just ';not true';. From answers.com: fiction is ';An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented.';If we are taught, not to use double negatives, in school; then why is fiction false and nonfiction not false?
These things have nothing to do with one another.
A double negative is the result of poor grammar.
Fiction and non-fiction are just words to describe different categories of writing.
OTOH, while fiction has an implication of falseness, there is much more to the meaning that just ';not true';. From answers.com: fiction is ';An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented.';If we are taught, not to use double negatives, in school; then why is fiction false and nonfiction not false?
These things have nothing to do with one another.
A double negative is the result of poor grammar.
Fiction and non-fiction are just words to describe different categories of writing.
Why do these mega churches teach on financial stewardship and other false preaching?
Im watching church on television and i have been hearing about these pastors that are only talking about how to make money and how to get in the kingdom of heaven if they give sufficient amount of money which is called the '; Prosperity gospel';.There are innocent people who are learning this and think that the only way to get into heaven is if you tithe into the church and to give to the pastor so they can have a mansion and a jet to fly to other churches to preach.
I attend a non-denominational church and when I give my money, I know where my tithes and offerings are going because our pastor shows us where it is going to and does not hide it like Creflo Dollar and these other pastors! But what can I do to try to stop these big mega churches to stop using these innocent people for their money???
Watch this video and you'll see what i mean!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM-Um65hD鈥?/a>Why do these mega churches teach on financial stewardship and other false preaching?
I agree with you.
It is really sad that churches get massive buildings with state-of-the-art equipment. Have big fancy suits, clothes, jewelry, cars, mansions, etc.
Yet there are homeless people everywhere, starving children, people that will die tomorrow if they don't get a pill that costs $2, etc.
Not that I have anything against any particular church or pastor. But in general I feel like they aren't being good stewards with the money they are being given. Many are just taking very large salaries, and living a life of extreme luxury.
I don't think there is anything wrong with having money, or even being somewhat wealthy. But I think it is totally wrong convincing people that ';everything will be okay...just keep tithing.'; That isn't the way it works at all.
God never promises wealth if you tithe to your preacher. He never promises an easy or stress free life if you believe in Him either. You must work hard to manage your finances properly, and you will have struggles and hardships whether you follow God's word or not.
Great question though!Why do these mega churches teach on financial stewardship and other false preaching?
Because they are stealing your money....oh, I mean you are giving it to them willingly.
There really is nothing that you can do to stop it. Just dont support them and tell others to do the same.
because they are businesses - tax exempt too$$$
I am paraphrasing from the bible but it says ';you cannot serve both God and money for you will love one and hate the other';. Our medical community that was initially set up to genuinely help people has become big business. Our legislative community that was designed to bring balance and justice is now controlled by deep pocket lobbyists. The number one cause of death in America is ADR (adverse drug reaction) perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies and their zealous quest for more and more money at the cost of American's lives. Greed has stained every corner of our society and nobody cries out until it affects them personally. I have been affected by all of this. We need to get at the root of the problem and realize our capitalist dream is severely off balance. Money has become our God and we have all lost a large part of our souls in exchange for the all mighty dollar. We all get mad at these charlatans posing as ambassadors of God. We don't trust our government. Everyone is screaming about doctor bills and health care reform. We complain about the cost of our medications and Big Pharma greed. We need to look at our contribution to the problems with our faulty mindsets and character defects. We all have a spiritual side and we need to start pursuing more spiritual goals instead of monetary goals. I know you want to stop these mega-churches and their false doctrines. There is a saying that says ';satan always overplays his hand';. People are becoming more aware of the sin of these churches and I am confident they will die out because of this awareness. More people are becoming disgusted with the ';prosperity gospel'; and are seeking a more spiritual approach to life.
At the outset , I would like to appreciate your URL id for OBAMA which is really is superb and awesome . Congrats and let Almighty come to our rescue and Obama wins. Its my prayer too.
Now about your question - U see, the area of work is framed for everybody and who so ever feel fit to do the work in the area where they work - they will always feels that they are right . It is their perception .
Where as your thinking is different than them. Every individuals have the different thinking power and their area of work is also predetermined according to their destiny .
Why to look and bother about the thoughts being menifested and not acceptatble to us . Try to avoid it . Do not look at it or ignore grossly as if you have not seen it to avoid pollution of thoughts. The way air and atmosphere with dust and smoke gets polluted - the things which we do not like pollute our mind.
So we should ignore them - Let the world do the things they feel fit and let us do the things what we feel best .
I attend a non-denominational church and when I give my money, I know where my tithes and offerings are going because our pastor shows us where it is going to and does not hide it like Creflo Dollar and these other pastors! But what can I do to try to stop these big mega churches to stop using these innocent people for their money???
Watch this video and you'll see what i mean!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM-Um65hD鈥?/a>Why do these mega churches teach on financial stewardship and other false preaching?
I agree with you.
It is really sad that churches get massive buildings with state-of-the-art equipment. Have big fancy suits, clothes, jewelry, cars, mansions, etc.
Yet there are homeless people everywhere, starving children, people that will die tomorrow if they don't get a pill that costs $2, etc.
Not that I have anything against any particular church or pastor. But in general I feel like they aren't being good stewards with the money they are being given. Many are just taking very large salaries, and living a life of extreme luxury.
I don't think there is anything wrong with having money, or even being somewhat wealthy. But I think it is totally wrong convincing people that ';everything will be okay...just keep tithing.'; That isn't the way it works at all.
God never promises wealth if you tithe to your preacher. He never promises an easy or stress free life if you believe in Him either. You must work hard to manage your finances properly, and you will have struggles and hardships whether you follow God's word or not.
Great question though!Why do these mega churches teach on financial stewardship and other false preaching?
Because they are stealing your money....oh, I mean you are giving it to them willingly.
There really is nothing that you can do to stop it. Just dont support them and tell others to do the same.
because they are businesses - tax exempt too$$$
I am paraphrasing from the bible but it says ';you cannot serve both God and money for you will love one and hate the other';. Our medical community that was initially set up to genuinely help people has become big business. Our legislative community that was designed to bring balance and justice is now controlled by deep pocket lobbyists. The number one cause of death in America is ADR (adverse drug reaction) perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies and their zealous quest for more and more money at the cost of American's lives. Greed has stained every corner of our society and nobody cries out until it affects them personally. I have been affected by all of this. We need to get at the root of the problem and realize our capitalist dream is severely off balance. Money has become our God and we have all lost a large part of our souls in exchange for the all mighty dollar. We all get mad at these charlatans posing as ambassadors of God. We don't trust our government. Everyone is screaming about doctor bills and health care reform. We complain about the cost of our medications and Big Pharma greed. We need to look at our contribution to the problems with our faulty mindsets and character defects. We all have a spiritual side and we need to start pursuing more spiritual goals instead of monetary goals. I know you want to stop these mega-churches and their false doctrines. There is a saying that says ';satan always overplays his hand';. People are becoming more aware of the sin of these churches and I am confident they will die out because of this awareness. More people are becoming disgusted with the ';prosperity gospel'; and are seeking a more spiritual approach to life.
At the outset , I would like to appreciate your URL id for OBAMA which is really is superb and awesome . Congrats and let Almighty come to our rescue and Obama wins. Its my prayer too.
Now about your question - U see, the area of work is framed for everybody and who so ever feel fit to do the work in the area where they work - they will always feels that they are right . It is their perception .
Where as your thinking is different than them. Every individuals have the different thinking power and their area of work is also predetermined according to their destiny .
Why to look and bother about the thoughts being menifested and not acceptatble to us . Try to avoid it . Do not look at it or ignore grossly as if you have not seen it to avoid pollution of thoughts. The way air and atmosphere with dust and smoke gets polluted - the things which we do not like pollute our mind.
So we should ignore them - Let the world do the things they feel fit and let us do the things what we feel best .
True or False?: Regarding the ';corresponing ransom'; Jesus paid , the Watchtower Society teaches that human...?
life Jesus laid down in sacrifice was exactly equal to the human life Adam fell with.True or False?: Regarding the ';corresponing ransom'; Jesus paid , the Watchtower Society teaches that human...?
True.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Adam was created as a perfect human and through deliberate sin, he passed on imperfection to all his descendants.
According to their teachings, the only way to fairly return mankind to perfection was to repay the debt Adam had created with the sacrifice of a perfect human life.
To repay the debt, Jesus took the form of a human. Being the only perfect human, he was the only candidate to repay this debt. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that in death, Jesus opened to way for repentant humans to become perfect.
When I was a Jehovah's Witness I often heard it explained in an analogy using a pair of old fashioned balance scales (the same a 'Justice' is suppose to hold). Adam's perfect human life prior to sin, could only be balanced by Jesus in human form. One of the publications even has a diagram depicting Jesus one side of the scales and Adam on the other, perfectly balancing each other.True or False?: Regarding the ';corresponing ransom'; Jesus paid , the Watchtower Society teaches that human...?
So not only do you disagree with JW's, but Paul also.
David is called 'the Savior'
Jesus is a Savior the same as David.
Um, why ask a question to which you know the answer.
Being that he is the Alpha and the Omega, I think that he over paid the price of humanity.
Jesus as a perfect man could not cover more that the debt of Adam. what about EVE...If Jesus was just...A man,..... there would be a debt for EVE and the rest of humanity...God equalizes all things, and If Jesus were not divine, he would not have been enough sacrifice......Just like the Israelites could not sacrifice enough animals...use your mind not the WBTS mind...
';Regarding the ';corresponding ransom';Jesus paid ...
Jesus [life] laid down in sacrifice was exactly equal to the human life Adam [lost].';
Correct.
';Jehovah's perfect justice required 'soul for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' (Deuteronomy 19:21; Matthew 5:38) Hence, since Adam brought inherited death to all mankind by willfully disobeying God and so losing perfection of human life, another perfect human had to substitute for Adam in paying over his perfect life, to buy back what Adam had lost.';
Sorry, but I don't read the tabloids. Which one was it in?
It is not what JW's say, it is what Paul told us.
(1 Corinthians 15:20-21) 20 However, now Christ has been raised up from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep [in death]. 21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man.
(1 Corinthians 15:45) . . .The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(1 Corinthians 15:47) 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.
Since Paul tells us, then it must be true.
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Interestingly, 1 Timothy 2:6 contains the only occurrence of a particular Greek term (';antilutron';) which many bibles oversimplify into English as merely ';ransom';. By contrast, a less specific Greek term (';lutron';) is used in other bible verses and is almost universally translated as ';ransom';.
If Scriptures such as Matthew 20:28 and Mark 10:45 refer merely to the fact that Christ provided a ransom (a ';lutron';), what additional point was Paul making by his use of ';antilutron'; which might seem literally to mean ';preceding ransom';? Readers are invited to contrast the two different Strong's citations, shown. In both citations here, the emphasis is NOT added, but is Strong's.
G487 ἀντίλυτρον antilutron an-til'-oo-tron ...a REDEMPTION PRICE
G3083 λύτρον lutron loo'-tron ...something to LOOSEN with, that is, a redemption PRICE (figuratively ATONEMENT)
The latter term makes the point that Christ's life was of value and was propitiatory (or ';atoning';). The prior, more specific, term makes the additional point that Christ's life was a ';redemption price';. Please consider that the nature of the term ';redemption'; seems rather plainly to indicate corresponding value.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/r…
[quote] re·demp·tion –noun
5.repurchase, as of something sold.
6.paying off, as of a mortgage, bond, or note.
7.recovery by payment, as of something pledged.
8.conversion of paper money into specie.
[unquote]
Here is 1 Timothy 2:5-6, from a selection of translations...
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a redemption for all
Weymouth New Testament
For there is but one God and but one Mediator between God and men--Christ Jesus, Himself man; who gave Himself as the redemption price for all
New World Translation
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/index.htm?art…
http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/index.htm?ar…
Incidentally, Jehovah's Witnesses use multiple legal entities with names similar to ';Watchtower Society';. It is perhaps more accurate for commentators to point to either ';The Watchtower'; magazine or simply ';Jehovah's Witnesses'; as the source of some teaching of interest, rather than pretending that one among dozens of legal entities originates any teaching.
It was an equivalent exchange.
what religion is this? some cult or self belief based of off christianity
uhmm, so if why he have to overpaid? if you have a balance a you put one pound in one side , why you are going to put 100 pounds in the other side to balance , is not logical.
True and the bible says so.
Antilutron - Greek Lexicon
what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption
The Ransom was a man.
';the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all ';
New Topic: EVE
The Bible says that sin entered the world through one man—not through the woman—even though Eve sinned first and led her husband into rebellion against God.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
True.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Adam was created as a perfect human and through deliberate sin, he passed on imperfection to all his descendants.
According to their teachings, the only way to fairly return mankind to perfection was to repay the debt Adam had created with the sacrifice of a perfect human life.
To repay the debt, Jesus took the form of a human. Being the only perfect human, he was the only candidate to repay this debt. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that in death, Jesus opened to way for repentant humans to become perfect.
When I was a Jehovah's Witness I often heard it explained in an analogy using a pair of old fashioned balance scales (the same a 'Justice' is suppose to hold). Adam's perfect human life prior to sin, could only be balanced by Jesus in human form. One of the publications even has a diagram depicting Jesus one side of the scales and Adam on the other, perfectly balancing each other.True or False?: Regarding the ';corresponing ransom'; Jesus paid , the Watchtower Society teaches that human...?
So not only do you disagree with JW's, but Paul also.
David is called 'the Savior'
Jesus is a Savior the same as David.
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Um, why ask a question to which you know the answer.
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Being that he is the Alpha and the Omega, I think that he over paid the price of humanity.
Jesus as a perfect man could not cover more that the debt of Adam. what about EVE...If Jesus was just...A man,..... there would be a debt for EVE and the rest of humanity...God equalizes all things, and If Jesus were not divine, he would not have been enough sacrifice......Just like the Israelites could not sacrifice enough animals...use your mind not the WBTS mind...
';Regarding the ';corresponding ransom';Jesus paid ...
Jesus [life] laid down in sacrifice was exactly equal to the human life Adam [lost].';
Correct.
';Jehovah's perfect justice required 'soul for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' (Deuteronomy 19:21; Matthew 5:38) Hence, since Adam brought inherited death to all mankind by willfully disobeying God and so losing perfection of human life, another perfect human had to substitute for Adam in paying over his perfect life, to buy back what Adam had lost.';
Sorry, but I don't read the tabloids. Which one was it in?
It is not what JW's say, it is what Paul told us.
(1 Corinthians 15:20-21) 20 However, now Christ has been raised up from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep [in death]. 21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man.
(1 Corinthians 15:45) . . .The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(1 Corinthians 15:47) 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.
Since Paul tells us, then it must be true.
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Interestingly, 1 Timothy 2:6 contains the only occurrence of a particular Greek term (';antilutron';) which many bibles oversimplify into English as merely ';ransom';. By contrast, a less specific Greek term (';lutron';) is used in other bible verses and is almost universally translated as ';ransom';.
If Scriptures such as Matthew 20:28 and Mark 10:45 refer merely to the fact that Christ provided a ransom (a ';lutron';), what additional point was Paul making by his use of ';antilutron'; which might seem literally to mean ';preceding ransom';? Readers are invited to contrast the two different Strong's citations, shown. In both citations here, the emphasis is NOT added, but is Strong's.
G487 ἀντίλυτρον antilutron an-til'-oo-tron ...a REDEMPTION PRICE
G3083 λύτρον lutron loo'-tron ...something to LOOSEN with, that is, a redemption PRICE (figuratively ATONEMENT)
The latter term makes the point that Christ's life was of value and was propitiatory (or ';atoning';). The prior, more specific, term makes the additional point that Christ's life was a ';redemption price';. Please consider that the nature of the term ';redemption'; seems rather plainly to indicate corresponding value.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/r…
[quote] re·demp·tion –noun
5.repurchase, as of something sold.
6.paying off, as of a mortgage, bond, or note.
7.recovery by payment, as of something pledged.
8.conversion of paper money into specie.
[unquote]
Here is 1 Timothy 2:5-6, from a selection of translations...
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a redemption for all
Weymouth New Testament
For there is but one God and but one Mediator between God and men--Christ Jesus, Himself man; who gave Himself as the redemption price for all
New World Translation
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/rq/index.htm?art…
http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/index.htm?ar…
Incidentally, Jehovah's Witnesses use multiple legal entities with names similar to ';Watchtower Society';. It is perhaps more accurate for commentators to point to either ';The Watchtower'; magazine or simply ';Jehovah's Witnesses'; as the source of some teaching of interest, rather than pretending that one among dozens of legal entities originates any teaching.
It was an equivalent exchange.
what religion is this? some cult or self belief based of off christianity
uhmm, so if why he have to overpaid? if you have a balance a you put one pound in one side , why you are going to put 100 pounds in the other side to balance , is not logical.
True and the bible says so.
Antilutron - Greek Lexicon
what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption
The Ransom was a man.
';the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all ';
New Topic: EVE
The Bible says that sin entered the world through one man—not through the woman—even though Eve sinned first and led her husband into rebellion against God.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
Those who compromise the truth Jesus taught are really popular but does who do not are called false Christian?
Do you agree?Those who compromise the truth Jesus taught are really popular but does who do not are called false Christian?
Dear CD,
Only those that Have the ';Holy Spirit'; are Real Christians, ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE!
(Romans 8:9) You, however, are not of the flesh but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. = And if anyone = does not have the Spirit of Christ, = he does not belong to him.
(Jude 1:17-18-19) But you, beloved, remember the words spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(Jude 1:18) because they told you that at the last time there will be mockers according to their lusts, leading ungodly lives.
(Jude 1:19) These are those setting themselves apart, animal-like ones, = = not having the Spirit.
The ONE Test... is IF someone believes the Scripture, The Bible! The Holy Spirit living in the Real Christian... ';Validates the Bible!';
(1Corinthians 2:14) But the = = natural man = = does not receive the things = = of the Spirit of God, = = for they are foolishness to him; = = neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Thanks for Asking! RRThose who compromise the truth Jesus taught are really popular but does who do not are called false Christian?
How can the truth be compromised? Are people compromising the 'truth', or giving their own personal interpretation of scripture? Interpretation is just not for schooled Theologians anymore, the time of grace is over for them. The bible has always been interpreted from the male point of view, in fact the bible was written by men, even the book of Ruth. Women are told to keep their mouths shut because men don't want to hear a female interpretation on their book.
Apparently being a ';true'; Christian mean that one writes in a nonsensical manner. Please learn to write at an eighth grade level before posting a question. You are representing your fellow ';true'; Christians and I'm sure they are sick of being represented by those who appear uneducated.
Pretty much, yes.
If you teach that salvation is only by faith alone in Jesus without any of your own works added, then you will be hated by catholics, ';lordship salvationists';, mormons, jw's, atheists, agnostics, buddhists, etc.
You would have to be more specific for a real answer, but judging from your last sentence, I assume that you do not believe that we are saved by grace. In my opinion, that would make your theology faulty.
Yes, I agree.
Compromise is wrong.
Dear CD,
Only those that Have the ';Holy Spirit'; are Real Christians, ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE!
(Romans 8:9) You, however, are not of the flesh but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. = And if anyone = does not have the Spirit of Christ, = he does not belong to him.
(Jude 1:17-18-19) But you, beloved, remember the words spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(Jude 1:18) because they told you that at the last time there will be mockers according to their lusts, leading ungodly lives.
(Jude 1:19) These are those setting themselves apart, animal-like ones, = = not having the Spirit.
The ONE Test... is IF someone believes the Scripture, The Bible! The Holy Spirit living in the Real Christian... ';Validates the Bible!';
(1Corinthians 2:14) But the = = natural man = = does not receive the things = = of the Spirit of God, = = for they are foolishness to him; = = neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Thanks for Asking! RRThose who compromise the truth Jesus taught are really popular but does who do not are called false Christian?
How can the truth be compromised? Are people compromising the 'truth', or giving their own personal interpretation of scripture? Interpretation is just not for schooled Theologians anymore, the time of grace is over for them. The bible has always been interpreted from the male point of view, in fact the bible was written by men, even the book of Ruth. Women are told to keep their mouths shut because men don't want to hear a female interpretation on their book.
Apparently being a ';true'; Christian mean that one writes in a nonsensical manner. Please learn to write at an eighth grade level before posting a question. You are representing your fellow ';true'; Christians and I'm sure they are sick of being represented by those who appear uneducated.
Pretty much, yes.
If you teach that salvation is only by faith alone in Jesus without any of your own works added, then you will be hated by catholics, ';lordship salvationists';, mormons, jw's, atheists, agnostics, buddhists, etc.
You would have to be more specific for a real answer, but judging from your last sentence, I assume that you do not believe that we are saved by grace. In my opinion, that would make your theology faulty.
Yes, I agree.
Compromise is wrong.
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