Friday, February 12, 2010

1. Is Jesus really in the middle of the Godhead as some teach? True or false?

a. If so wouldn't Jesus be on the left hand of the Father rather than the right?





b. However if Jesus is on the right hand of the father who is in the middle of the Godhead?





c. Please also tell us how many are sitting on the Throne of God in Heaven?





d. If Jesus is sitting on the right hand of the father wouldn't there be at lease two sitting on the throne of God.





E. Also please tell us all which of the three....the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost is the MIGHTY GOD and which of the three is the LORD that every knee is going to bow before?





f. If all three then there is ...let me see if I know my arithmetic


1 + 1 + 1 = 3 Lords....3 Almightys....3 creators....3 Gods





g. Please tell me which one will be sitting on the throne.





No personal opinion's....PLEASE only quote only chapter and verse out of the bible or you will make your self a liar.





Reference: Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.





We don't want to do that do we cause, Reference





1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for LIARS, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to SOUND DOCTRINE1. Is Jesus really in the middle of the Godhead as some teach? True or false?
The question may be asked, ';Is Jesus in the Godhead, or is the Godhead in Jesus?'; If the Godhead is in Jesus, there can only be one Person.


The Bible clearly states, ';For IN HIM (Christ) DWELLETH all the FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the HEAD OF ALL PRINCIPALITY AND POWER.'; [Col. 2:9, 10]


So there is only ONE PERSON in which the Godhead is manifested, because the GODHEAD IS IN JESUS!








No record will you find that the New Testament Church ever believed or taught the doctrine of the Trinity. For the Scriptures prove that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are only manifestations (not three Persons) of the ONE GOD; and God is ONE IN PERSON. (See Job 13:8)





In Creation God was manifested as the Father (Invisible Spirit - John 1:18, 4:24);


In redemption God was manifested as the Son (Spirit in body - Col. 1: 13-15, 2:9);


In emanation God was and is being manifested as the Holy Ghost (Spirit in believers - Acts 2:4, 17, Rom. 8:9, Eph. 4:6).1. Is Jesus really in the middle of the Godhead as some teach? True or false?
Jesus never called himself God...





The whole belief in the Trinity was not introduced to Christianity until 300 years after Jesus died. (Council of Nicea)





It is a Pagan belief.





That is why the whole Trinity is confusing.
Jesus is God in the flesh!





if Jesus had never mentioned the Father, or the Holy Spirit, we wouldn't even know that they exist-that is how unified they are in their purpose!





The Trinity is NOT 3 Gods, each with their own agenda-they are 3 individual beings, with one %26amp; ONLY ONE agenda-the redemption of mankind. They are united in the ONE PURPOSE ONLY-to bring man back to the relationship that he had with God, back in the Garden of Eden!
Well apparently you have already decided all of this for yourself. So why ask? But yes I understand. This is more of a Christian thought. There really the only ones who believe in the Godhead, oh and Catholics as well.
God never said that he was abandoning all other religious beliefs. God even inspired new ones that offer alternatives to believing in Jesus.
'; Since when is there a middle? ';
Your first problem is that you can't seem to grasp what's a ';figure of speech'; and what is literal truth.





You also have the same problem that all humans have and that is, you are trying to put God in a 3 or 4 dimensional box and He cannot be put into a box.





I've heard the Trinity explained in several different ways, and one of them compared the Trinity to a Twix bar. The Twix bar has a cookie, caramel, and chocolate. Each is its own distinct entity, but unless all three are together they are not a Twix bar.





Another way to think of it: If you lived in a two dimensional world (lets say in a chalkboard) and I came along in my three dimensional world and put three fingertips on the chalkboard. There is only one conclusion you could make from your two dimensional world, and that is that I am three three distinct entities. You would have no possible or conceivable way of knowing that I am in fact one entity in a three dimensional world. In your world I appear as three circles, but in my world I am much much more.





That is how it is with God. We are so feeble minded when it comes to the things of God that we run the risk of idolatry if we try to put Him in a box.
In answer to your question who is sitting on The throne , read Daniel ,chapter 7 , verses 9 speaks of thrones in the plural. In verses 13 to%26amp; 14 Jesus is brought to almighty God by his angels and he was given the Kingship by God . There is only one God and one son and the spirit is the active force coming from God to cause his desires. If you believe Jesus is God Almighty than read the verses like this . Where it says ';son of man'; instead say God and where it says ';ancient of days '; say God Does it make sense ? neither does the trinity teaching.That is only one of many.
HOW could such a confusing doctrine originate? The Catholic Encyclopedia claims: ';A dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation.'; Catholic scholars Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgrimler state in their Theological Dictionary: ';The Trinity is a mystery . . . in the strict sense . . . , which could not be known without revelation, and even after revelation cannot become wholly intelligible.';





However, contending that since the Trinity is such a confusing mystery, it must have come from divine revelation creates another major problem. Why? Because divine revelation itself does not allow for such a view of God: ';God is not a God of confusion.';鈥? Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).





In view of that statement, would God be responsible for a doctrine about himself that is so confusing that even Hebrew, Greek, and Latin scholars cannot really explain it?





Furthermore, do people have to be theologians 'to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent'? (John 17:3, JB) If that were the case, why did so few of the educated Jewish religious leaders recognize Jesus as the Messiah? His faithful disciples were, instead, humble farmers, fishermen, tax collectors, housewives. Those common people were so certain of what Jesus taught about God that they could teach it to others and were even willing to die for their belief.鈥擬atthew 15:1-9; 21:23-32, 43; 23:13-36; John 7:45-49; Acts 4:13.





THE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: ';The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation.';





Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: ';On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. . . . And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God.'';





Those words are found at Deuteronomy 6:4. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) here reads: ';Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.';* In the grammar of that verse, the word ';one'; has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual.





The Christian apostle Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God either, even after Jesus came to the earth. He wrote: ';God is only one.';鈥擥alatians 3:20; see also 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.





Thousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When he speaks, it is as one undivided individual. The Bible could not be any clearer on this. As God states: ';I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory.'; (Isaiah 42:8) ';I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me.'; (Italics ours.)鈥擡xodus 20:2, 3, JB.





Why would all the God-inspired Bible writers speak of God as one person if he were actually three persons? What purpose would that serve, except to mislead people? Surely, if God were composed of three persons, he would have had his Bible writers make it abundantly clear so that there could be no doubt about it. At least the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures who had personal contact with God's own Son would have done so. But they did not.





Instead, what the Bible writers did make abundantly clear is that God is one Person鈥攁 unique, unpartitioned Being who has no equal: ';I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God.'; (Isaiah 45:5) ';You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.';鈥擯salm 83:18.





Not a Plural God














JESUS called God ';the only true God.'; (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word ';almighty.'; Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supreme. At Genesis 17:1 he declares: ';I am God Almighty.'; And Exodus 18:11 says: ';Jehovah is greater than all the other gods.';





In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word 麓eloh'ah (god) has two plural forms, namely, 麓elo路him' (gods) and 麓elo路heh' (gods of). These plural forms generally refer to Jehovah, in which case they are translated in the singular as ';God.'; Do these plural forms indicate a Trinity? No, they do not. In A Dictionary of the Bible, William Smith says: ';The fanciful idea that [麓elo路him'] referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God.';





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