Would the Churches %26amp; their clergy be considered liars or just mistaken by God %26amp; Jesus ?
Will they be held responsible because they did not make sure of all things ?
2 Pet 1:10%26amp;11 NIV
10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus ChristIf Jesus returned %26amp; taught the trinity %26amp; hell fire are false teachings?
Yes the religious leaders are held responsible by Jehovah, because they claim to represent him.
They are accountable %26amp; inexcusableIf Jesus returned %26amp; taught the trinity %26amp; hell fire are false teachings?
Christ does not have to come back and teach that the trinity and an eternally burring 'hell' are false for any true Bible student to know that they are patently false and of pagan/catholic origins. And yes they will be held responsible for all of their false teachings and for the finial dispensations of those whom they have lied to and deceived. I would not want to be in their shoes.
Jesus spoke more of the dangers of hell than anything. So if someone claimed to be Christ saying there was no hell, I wouldn't believe them. Christ also proved His divinity by raising from the grave and promised His return. So when He returns again only proves He is divine. The Bible says there is only one true God. So His return would also prove the trinity.
I believe we will be held responsible if we have a chance to help someone come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ: and we don't follow through on doing so. One thing we should guard against (IMO) is focusing on an issue that is not important (in the sense that it will keep someone from trusting Christ) instead of telling them about the saving GRACE of Jesus. We shouldn't get caught up in arguments over things that will not decide eternity.
It would be much like the time when Jesus was on earth. He called the religious leaders at that time, hypocrites and vipers because they were teaching doctrine of man and not teaching the truth about God.
(Matthew 23:15) “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge‧hen′na twice as much so as yourselves.
Poя¢єℓαιη Vєssєℓ (στην αλήθεια) is right.
But I did like to add ............... If they want to become clergy or whatever but remember they can read. Can they? It is their choice.
Jehovah can read your heart.
the church teaches trinity, not Jesus...Jesus taught the existence of one and only one God, same as what the prophets before him (Noah, Abraham, Moses etc) taught.... Jesus never taught trinity, Jesus never said ';I am God';...
Jesus said:
';My Father is greater than I.';
[The Bible, John 14:28]
My Father is greater than all.';
[The Bible, John 10:29]
';…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….';
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
';…I with the finger of God cast out devils….';
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
';I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.';
[The Bible, John 5:30]
One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
';Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.';
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
';Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.';
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
Jesus didnt reply ';your God is me';.
the bible has already said what Jesus will tell the christians when he returns:
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:22-23)
Liars no mistaken yes, Held responsible yes. Every man is held responsible for his actions.
Some are seriously misled.
Some are seriously heretical.
We try to discern who's who, so we don't take too many wrong turns. Ultimately, it's God's decision.
Anathema Marana-tha
Jesus?where.
Why would Jesus teach contrary to what He taught His first time here?
We are all held accountable, but ESPECIALLY the ones that profess to represent God.
It's the same in ANY country. IF a citizen of that country does as a leader of that country says out of ignorance, isn't their punishment LESS than the traitor or one guilty of treason?
What about a student in a classroom and the teacher, isn't the student supposed to be studying the subject and doing their research, but what if the teacher gives a better grade for those that just do as they are told and tells them you will get a better grade for THIS ANSWER?
What about a child that is taught by their parents something as heinous as racism?
What if that child totally believes that racist terrorism is right in GOD'S eyes?
It is up to us to do our research, but some out of fear, depressed mental capacity, love for the teacher, or something else that ';blinds them to the truth';
stops them short of serving the true God.
Some would NEVER EVER betray their ';teacher';
in that case if the student puts teacher OVER
truth even when presented with truth, they chose
like Adam did, the creation over the creator.
Yeah we all have a responsibility but the greater responsibility goes to the one in power, control, highest station...
What if an OWNER of a business has a lech for a manager, what if the OWNER of the business is the most lawful generous kind and law abiding person there is?
IS he STILL not held accountable for what goes on in that business? Couldn't the owner plead ignorance?
No.....
It is up to us to find out the truth about our business and if we choose to close our eyes to it and do what we want, then we are still accountable.
That's why Jesus was so vicious when it came to those representing his Father... You could feel the seething and abhorrence.
Same for those he was kind to, that just took and never did ANYTHING with it.
He was kinder to those he DIDNT come to preach to that took what he had to say and do something with it.
No if they are representing or CLAIMING to represent Jehovah God, the FATHER of creation, they are held in the highest responsibility for teaching lies and put in the same catagory as ';the Father of the lie';
Even Rahab KNEW and did something when the Israelite spies came to take over the city, she KNEW and risked her life to care for Jehovah's people and
in the end? A former prostitute was in the line to the messiah...
There is NO excuse.. And ONLY Jehovah reads hearts and knows the truth as to why some refuse and only Jehovah and Jesus Christ do that sorting and seperating work.
Christians are certainly not perfect but the difference between them and you, is that they are forgiven, therefore they can enter eternity but you won't.
So, when Jesus Christ returns in a time of His choosing, for you, it probably, won't make any difference except that everyone else will be terror struck and God tells us that the people of this earth will believe a big lie by some world leader to explain the millions who have disappeared totally off the planet, from every race, tribe and tongue, even graves will be opened and bodies gone... and they will all have been Christians, redeemed by the One who died on the Cross and was resurrected on the 3rd day and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father. The One to whom ALL hearts are open and every desire known..the One who has always known His own from before the earth began..the One who knows who will spend eternity with Him and the rest ?
Hellfire awaits.
The One you will kneel before and acknowledge as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, even if, it is before you fall headlong into the chasm that will be your ';resting place'; for ever. We will be blissfully unaware of all these judgments for we will be enjoying the delights of Paradise or Heaven.. If you have ever taken the time to read the Gospels about the thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus said..Lord..remember me when you come into your Kingdom..Jesus replied..Today you will be with Me in Paradise' and so it was.He was wise at the end of his life...he believed because he had nothing else to lose. Jesus said '; I AM, the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father, but by Me ';
Where will your beliefs take you ?
You asked so please read it all.
Jesus was with God in the beginning for it is written:
Genesis 1:26-27 (New International Version)
26 Then God said, ';Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.';
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Note it says 'let us' and 'in our image/likeness' these are plural so God was not alone before creation.
Now check out these as well.
Mark 13: 30-31 (New International Version)
Jesus said:
30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
In this one Jesus says 'but my words will never pass away'. And only God can say that.
John 14:6-7 (New International Version)
6Jesus answered, ';I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.';
And in this one Jesus says 'from now on, you do know him and have seen him'. Jesus is saying, He and God are one here. If you have seen him you have seen the father and if you know him you know God.
John 1-5 (New International Version)
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
This one also says Jesus was with God in the beginning before creation even was. Jesus is the word of God and become flesh.
Matthew 3:11
';I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
Psalm 51:11 (New International Version)
11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
this proves Jesus is God in the flesh and Jesus said he will baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire. The Holy spirit lives in us and teaches and guides us.
We have the spirit of God in us as the Holy Spirit.
God is: mind(God), body(Jesus) and soul(Holy Spirit).
Man is: mind, body and soul.
Each of these three make one complete being.
We are made in God's image and likeness.
Now as for hell, I think it is not for us. For it is written:
Philippians 2:5-13 (New International Version)
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
So if every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus is Lord. How could one go to hell?
take care.
If he returned he'd be put on medication. So your question is irrelevant I think. and besides Nothing is set in stone.
Jesus is a fictional character in a book of mythology. Nothing more.
He can no more ';return'; than Gandalf or Frodo can...
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