Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Protestants, even IF Catholics do teach false traditions, wouldn't they still go to heaven?

Wouldn't their belief in Christ absolve them of the sin of...believing in false things?Protestants, even IF Catholics do teach false traditions, wouldn't they still go to heaven?
Nope. If they teach it they follow it. That means they are following another Jesus...





2 Cor. 11:3-4 ';But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-- you may well put up with it. (you will have to endure it, or you wear it beautifully, and some do).';





another Jesus - (allos) is a primary word; ';else,'; different (in many applications) The name is the same, its the name Jesus from the Bible but it is not the Jesus of the Bible. He is different one, with some similarities on the surface level.





Alterations of the Christian message have always been with us but not since the beginning of the church have they become so rampant and outrageous. Some of the cults would blush at what is now being said from Christian pulpits.





Paul warns Gal 1:6-9: ';I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.';Protestants, even IF Catholics do teach false traditions, wouldn't they still go to heaven?
A very interesting question.





If one has accepted Christ's death as payment for their sins, then, yes, they will most certainly have salvation.





I never accuse Catholics of not being Christian. I merely ask why, if they have accepted Christ, do they find it necessary to perform all the other trappings that come with their faith.





I've questioned Catholics on how they view their security of salvation. They almost * all * say ';I don't know. I hope I am good enough.';.





So, either they are misunderstanding church doctrine or that doctrine is incorrect.





I've said this before. I'm more confident in the salvation of some Catholics than they are themselves.
';False traditions'; is a red herring. I'm not biting. Even as a ';theoretical proposition,'; you must state your case in detail. Christ understands your meaning; others might not.





Then we come to the protesters' version of the doctrines of Christ. They use ';Belief in Christ'; as a slogan. It IS a slogan. What is usually NOT meant is that ';Belief in WHAT CHRIST TEACHES'; in other words, WHAT CHRIST'S CHURCH TEACHES is the way to save one's soul,'; and it should be stated clearly. It's not hard to find ';What Christ's Church Teaches.'; The whole world knows what it is.*





Then we come to the 1958 problem. Councils DO NOT WRITE DOGMA. They report it and define what was stated by the Early Fathers and Bishops, as given them from the Apostles, and is not yet clear. That is NOT what Vatican 2 was all about. The ';Reforming Council'; had other plans, and plenty of dissident hierarchy.





Just as in England or in Germany in 1570, ';what the Church teaches in England or Germany'; is not ';What Christ's Church Teaches.'; Today's ';what the church teaches'; is the reinstatement of the Cranmer and Luther Protestant Heresies. This time the Robber Church places itself on the Chair of Rome, pretending to ';love'; and to 'create' a 'people of God,' to give them a ';softer'; and ';kinder'; religion, changing the sacraments so the ';protesters'; will return, and fooling the Catholics who were ';dimly catechized'; and did not detect this heresy of false ecumenism (';yes you can be 'catholic'--we'll take you no matter WHAT YOU BELIEVE). According to Vatican Regent, Eugenio Pacelli', his observation of American religious belief in 1939 was that it was ';appalling.';





This time, said Freemason Bishop Yves Marsaudon in 1962, on the steps of the Vatican Session 1, ';this time we have won,--and we are STAYING!'; This time the Church gets robbed internally, and ';we need'; a ';two-generational divide'; to complete the separation from those who are ';stuck in the past'; so that we can 'select' from the modernizing youth are 'best' (?) new purveyors of the ';new religion.';





(Do you just suppose this is why we can't reach you? Duhh.)





Yes, it is a ';NEW WHAT CHRIST TEACHES'; but this time it is actually being done from the Chair, making it a ';NEW WHAT CHRIST'S CHURCH TEACHES'; theological theft.





After all that maneuvering it is NOT the True Church of Christ. It is a complete robbing of the faithful of the true doctrines which Christ teaches.





Apostates will always dispute ';what is to be believed.'; What Catholics Believe is in the record. The record of all doctrine accumulated for 1,950 years, ended with Pope Pius XII in his de fide promulgation of the Dogma on the Assumption of Mary. Finis.


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Neena: ';Don't all Christians believe in most of the same general things?'; YES, it's called PANTHEISM; remember Caligula?





Rene: ';Nope. If they teach it they follow it. That means they are following another Jesus.'; YES, ALL are ECUMENISTS losing their souls.





XY GTHO: ';...necessary to perform all the other trappings that come with their faith.'; NECESSARY? No. Desirable, Yes. Is there anything refused in adoration, gratitude, penitence?





PAULCYP: ';Conflicting beliefs necessarily mean false beliefs.'; Remember those words when your Reforming Conciliar Church preaches ';for all men.'; This is heresy %26amp; the sum of false ecumenism; it means to 'take in' every man regardless of any belief.'; Such ecumenism is not the true Unity of one belief.'; But it IS WHAT the Conciliars mean.
Do Catholics even teach false traditions? No! It's in the Bible.. Let's look at 2 thes 2-15 ';Brethen, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught by word or OUR epistle. You see there is a difference between divine tradition and MAN mad traditions.. Jesus talks about human tradition which is an abomination. Only people like Chris (Jesus Saves) will ignore that verse.
Yes. The ONLY way into Heaven is to accept and believe on Jesus. This means to accept him as the Lord of your life and to listen and do what the Holy Spirit says to do. You cannot lose your salvation. You may cause what feels like a wall between you and Heaven from your sin, but the bible tells us if we confess and repent we are forgiven. But, the bible also tells us not to call any other person (besides our Earthly father) Father. For there is only one Father and he is Father God. The bible also illustrates that Baptism is a complete submersion in water - no a few sprinkles over your head. But these are not things that will cause you to go to Hell. Traditions are traditions. Jesus broke a lot of Jewish traditions as well. Just because they are traditions does not make them law. Jesus was more concerned with getting your heart right with God than walking on eggshells in your religion.
The first prerequisite for truth is unity. Truth cannot conflict with truth. Conflicting beliefs necessarily mean false beliefs. In Catholicism there is unity of belief. In Protestantism there is doctrinal chaos.
I'm Catholic! My friend is Methodist and she's fine with that!


Are you saying my pastor teaches us false things?


I didn't know that Protestants thought of us like that.. :'(


Don't all Christians believe in most of the same general things?..
Spiritually speaking, I dont think saying Christ is necessarily make one an believer, if thats the case heaven is not an guarantee
As someone already pointed out, it's all about belief in Christ.
All who follow Jesus and accept Him into their hearts as Lord and Master are saved.
if they are born again Yes!!!!

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