Monday, February 8, 2010

Is it alright for people to teach Cleopatra was black even if it's historically incorrect and false?

just to appease a few?Is it alright for people to teach Cleopatra was black even if it's historically incorrect and false?
Certainly not - whatever the reason





Any historian who knowingly teaches what is factually incorrect is not a historian, but a propagandist.





It's akin to the Orwellian nightmare world of Big Brother in '1984' and should be stamped out.


History as a discipline becomes worthless when teachers do such things knowingly.





Cleopatra was ethnically pure Greek, and therefore Caucasian.Ethnically, she wasn't even Egyptian.


I'm Caucasian - just because I get a suntan doesn't change, or bring into doubt, my racial ethnicity.Is it alright for people to teach Cleopatra was black even if it's historically incorrect and false?
No it's not alright to teach that. You shouldn't teach anything that isn't true just because it's simpler, not with history at least. Cleopatra was Egyptian.


Sometimes you have to simplify things to make them easier to understand for younger children. Like when I was 15 I was taught that electrons go around the atom in shells, then when I was 17 I was told that this is still sort of true, but the shells are more complicated than that; that they're not really shells and they're more dependent on energy levels.


But that's just because I wouldn't of understood about the energy levels when I was 15. But anyone can understand the difference between black and egyptian, so it's wrong to not tell the truth about history.
No it is not right,believe me I am not a racist,but the History is not a fairytale- therefore it must be the truth.


Cleopatra was Greek the last of the Dynasty of the Ptolemies who became rulers of Egypt after the death of Alexander The Great.


They were Macedonians and thus white.


You want to tell students about black Civilizations choose the Egypt of the Pharaohs who were partly black,some of them more than others.


This will be true.
No. Truth is truth and if some people can't handle it, too bad, so sad. As Naz stated, Cleopatra was a Macedonian Greek. They were at least as white as the Romans! Even the ancient Egyptians weren't black. The paintings on the walls of the Pharaoh's tombs is conclusive proof of that. They always painted themselves brown and the Nubians as black. And if you think that was some kind of racist put down of the Nubians, the kind of racial prejudice we're all too familiar with didn't exist in the ancient world. Slaves came in all colors then, and most of them were white!
We don't really know how dark her skin was but it probably wasn't white (it may have been very pale though). She certainly did not look like Elizabeth Taylor or Leonor Varela. Characterizing her as white or black is probably not accurate on either account. But neither is characterizing her as beautiful either. Keep in mind she was also very young child when she met Caesar and most movies show her as a young adult. And finally, she never spoke english but most movies I've seen show her speaking english.





So let's figure that out:





1. She was Egyptian, not european, arabian, or african


2. She was ugly


3. She was a child


4. She spoke Egyptian
no, it'snot all right. She was of Greek descent, and Alexandria, her home, was very much a Greek city even if it was in Egypt.





Anyway, Egyptians are not 'black' unless you consider anyone who isn't white to be black. They are distinctly different from sub-Saharan africans, and you can see from looking at ancient Egyptian art that they were not 'black' in those days any more than they are now.
Depends on your definition of ';black.'; Being of Greek heritage she would have had a darker complexion than a Caucasian right? She wouldn't necessarily have been as dark complected as say a Nubian, but considering history is mostly written by ';white'; people. It's probably considered as accurate.
Blackness and whiteness are relative terms. As we also know that people are also known to undergo skin color changes due to climatic changes, so many European settlers who have lived in warm regions for a long period of time will not be as light as people who have been living in really cold places
Sure, if you want laughs. She was descended from a Greek dynasty, left to rule by Alexander the Great; everyone knows that. Therefore, she's white. There were also no noticable ******* features on her coins. Everyone knows that, too.
No, history should be taught accurately, the distortion of history for what ever reason is not acceptable.
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