Friday, February 12, 2010

The bible teaches us that anybody who has sworn using God's name should be stoned to death. True or false?

Or is this another one of those not to be taken literally metaphors I keep hearing about?





Leviticus 24:11-14


';The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse; so they brought him to Moses. They put him in custody until the will of the LORD should be made clear to them. Then the LORD said to Moses: ';Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.';





This seems in contrast to Jesus telling the mob that wanted to stone a prostitute that ';if any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her';. (John 8:7). Has God matured from the OT to the New? Or is Jesus just more godly than his dad?The bible teaches us that anybody who has sworn using God's name should be stoned to death. True or false?
God D*amn it!! *Ouch* Stop it, Hey that one really hurt, you buttholes, I'll get you for this......The bible teaches us that anybody who has sworn using God's name should be stoned to death. True or false?
Look:


God is perfect, for one. So don't bother thinking otherwise.





This is a lesson. Not a contradiction. The Jews during this time were very disobedient. (Gold calf, for example.) So God kept having to do rather extreme things to keep them in line.





When Jesus arrived, it ended the need for the Law of Moses, and the new law was put into place. The trouble is, nobody paid attention. Jesus was teaching the pharasees and the sagasees a completely different lesson. The first passage is about how taking the father's name in vain is a REALLY bad idea. The second is about the need to forgive. They do not contradict, they merely teach two different things, to two different sets of people.





I suppose that's the best I can explain it...I hope the general idea got through.
I'm sure it was taken literally back then, and there are probably a few people who would still go for that just because it's in the bible. I think that people have matured. Well, most people.
Who cares what that comic book has to say.
That was a specific instance at a specific time in history. people get into a lot of trouble when they try to apply one verse out of context. In the time of leviticus, Moses and the people of Israel were in a unique relationship with GOD. Moses would go up a mountain and speak to the Living God or into the tent of meeting. he would come out of the tent or down the mountain with an unearthly glow on his face from being so close to God. God also led them in the pillar and the cloud. in this relationship, His Holiness (apartness) was near enough that a breakage of the commandments would have to be dealt with harshly.





this stands in sharp contrast to the time after Jesus. he being the sacrifice that atones (pays) for our sins, allows us to bridge that gap and come directly to God, without God condemning us for our sins.





so yes, stoning was used as a punishment for baspheming, but if you look at the context, the woman blasphemed the holy name of GOD that wasnt printed wholly in the hebrew torah to keep it sacred. There is nothing to compare it to today, because today very little is sacred.
sheesh





I haven't been stoned in several years---wanna pass the joint?
The old testament was pointing the way to a new day when Grace would abound. People were stoned to death as a punishment for their sins. When Jesus died on the cross, the law was no longer in effect. But when Jesus was yet alive, the Jews were still under the law. So, what Jesus was pointing out to them, is what a hypocrite, they were. No one is without sin, we all need to be stoned...But he died for us, he took our sins and put them on himself..Now we can come freely to him and confess our sins, and be forgiven. BTW...your question makes no sense,,because Jesus is God....
Goddamn right!





God became more mellow after his son was born.
false! there would be no more people alive!
Well, if you were living under the Mosaic law at that time, and that place, you would be subject to the laws that God clearly laid out. This person was not of the Israelite people, but was an outsider who came into the camp. He blasphemed God, and paid for His sin. God doesn't play, He is serious.


There is no connection to the passage in John. Under Jewish law, adultery was a capitol offense, but Jesus knew their hearts, and perhaps some also had been involved with this woman. Plus, under the law, both the man and woman were to suffer this fate, he is not present, perhaps he was one of the stoners. Jesus did not have to intervene, nor forgive her, He chose to do it, out of mercy and love. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, neither change, both are the same today, yesterday and forever.
I, for one, lament the decline of public stonings.
Clearly you've failed to read the very verses you quoted. Even assuming that the Mosaic Law is still being enforced, what does this vers *actually* say? Let's read it:





';The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse';





This is hardly the same as swearing using God's name. This is *cursing the name of God*.





Another mind-bending question solved by Captain Obvious
I've heard someone say God's name in vain, but they haven't turned to stone yet!!!
The Law is filled with rules and death sentences,... When Jesus came, He didnt destroy the law, but He paid the penalty for all sins. This was THE main reason for Jesus and this question would be answered easily if you would have just thought about it.
God gave special rules to the Israelites when He called them out of Egypt to be his chosen people through whom He would reveal his Savior to the rest of the world. There's another passage where a man was picking up sticks on the Sabbath who was put to death. God makes an example of people to warn others just like He did in the NT.





Acts 5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, ';Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.'; 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.





7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, ';Tell me whether you sold the land for so much.'; And she said, ';Yes, for so much.'; 9 But Peter said to her, ';How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.'; 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.





Believers are no longer called to stone people because we are not under the old covenant laws that were in place till Jesus initiated the new covenant of grace. But God will still take people out when He wants to make a point like He did in the church of Corinth.





1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
false.


blaspheming is not the same as swearing.





blaspheme is speaking evil of or against. This has nothing to do with Jesus and the woman who committed adultery.
I have discussed this with my friends so I am glad you brought it up. How can anyone say they are taking the lords name in vain(swearing) if GOD is not his name. God is nothing more than a title, like king, or savior. I don't recall anyone saying ';I AM'; dammit. or ';Holy yahweh!
I've been pretty stoned before, but never to death.
It's just one more thing that is outdated about the Bible. Unfortunately, some of the Christians still hold on to that idiotic idea about homosexuality being wrong.
Leviticus also instructs parents to kill their children is their children curse them.








biblical judgement leaves much to be desired
ah...but Jesus has came and fulfilled the law...he has taken the punishment of sin upon himself....
thou shalt not judge, least thou shalt be judged
It sure was to be taken literally in its time. But we are now under a new Covenant with GOd through Jesus. This only applied to THe Jews before Christ. But Jesus fulfilled the law in his death and this is Gone.


This is why there seems to be a contradiction in what you see. So yes it is literal but no it does not happen Jesus took that punishment upon himself, he suffered that pain for the world.
I will get back to you at a later date on this one.

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