Does not Jude 4 prove ';once saved, always saved'; is a false teaching?

Jude


4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.Does not Jude 4 prove ';once saved, always saved'; is a false teaching?
It is a false teaching or else there could be no falling away or an Apostasy.





2 Thessalonians 2


The Great Apostasy





1 Corinthians 15


The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality


1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.


3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,





Philippians 2:16


holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.





1 Thessalonians 3:5


For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.Does not Jude 4 prove ';once saved, always saved'; is a false teaching?
Other verses in Jude and elsewhere do. Teachers teaching once saved always saved are leading folks to hell.





1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.





Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;





The Bible teaches time and time again that if you don't repent for your sins you perish. If you deny him, he denies you.





Only IF WE CONFESS does he forgive.


1 John 1


5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.





If we continue to live in sin we should be afraid. Very afraid.





Heb 10


23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)


24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:


25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:


29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.





Even if God has performed miracles through us if we turn our back on him and live in sin he will cast us out (';I never knew you'; is a phrase that was used to disown/excommunite someone.)





Matthew 7


21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.





24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:


25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.


26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:


27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.





Jude


5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day


24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,


25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
no, they were always godless men.
No. Those guys were never saved to begin with.
If ONCE SAVED is true it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus
They were never saved. Just because a group of people sit among believers, doesn't make them believers themselves.





The truth is that it is impossible to lose salvation (1 John 5:13)
No. You have to read the entire paragraph to get the full meaning of what is being said.





Jude verses 3-4


Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


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Jude is warning that there are folks with their own adgenda creeping into the congregation that deny the deity of Christ and use God's grace as an excuse to sin.





If these folks were truly ';saved'; they would not act in this manner.





This has nothing to do with ';once saved, always saved.';
So where's the ';once saved'; in that verse?





Doesn't it say, ';They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.'; 1John 2:19





All you've proven is ';not saved, still not saved';.
does not the grace of god PROVIDE immortality?


(through his ';son';, if that's the metaphor we're speaking in)
The Unforgivable Sin.





It's a contradiction in the Bible.





Let me see if I can dig up my ';Unforgivable Sin Paradox'; paper... It had scriptures that said once you repent all your sins will be forgiven, and others that talked of the Unforgivable Sin...
great scripture. here's what i believe, all men are saved from death and will be resurrected because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. However, not all men will have everlasting life. meaning, not all men will live in the presence of God after this life.





It is wrong to think that because of the grace of God we are allowed to sin and do whatever we want.
I think it doesn't, because those men were never once saved. They were hypocrites, and God always knew it.
That particular verse is not about ';loosing'; ones salvation. Jude is talking about ';godless men'; - counterfeits who claim that they are Christians but have never been saved.
no





';godless'; men
No once saved..always saved.
No these men were never saved, just because someone professes to be a Christian doesn't make him one.
';Once saved always saved'; is a correct teaching. However, no-one is saved until they enter heaven. That's where Protestants (those who accept this false notion) go astray. The Bible clearly states that those who endure to the end of their earthly lives WILL be saved. The idea that we can be assured of salvation while we are still in the flesh is contrary to genuine Christian teaching, and a very dangerous false belief. Why would anyone obey the biblical command to ';work out your salvation in fear and trembling'; if they think they already have it?
Perhaps That may Not be the best Context interpretation of that verse. I do agree though that salvation can be forfeited.





Can a Believer ';Lose'; His Salvation?





Or Stated More Accurately, Can He Forfeit It?





Has God indeed said...Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.';? (Luke 8:13)


the scripture clearly teaches BOTH the sovereignty of God AND the free will of men. To deny this is irrational, and must be caused by something other than reason based on scriptural precepts.





The scriptural position is that a person who is saved can forfeit that salvation. The bible teaches those at highest risk of forfeiting their salvation are those who are newly saved, and those who continue on in known disobedience, after being born again.





The elect are those whom God chose, whom God foresaw would both trust in His Son AND who would endure or persevere in the faith given them until the end of their physical life, or the return of Jesus.





Those whose hearts are seeking the Lord with all that is in them, should have no concern about ';losing'; their salvation. Nor should they have any concern about forfeiting their salvation.





Salvation cannot be lost, but it can be forfeited - this is the nature of covenants in the bible. The bible no where guarantee's someone that salvation once received cannot be turned away from or forfeited by the individual that possesses it.





Receiving salvation involves man's will, and not works. Forfeiting salvation involves man's will, and not works. In the same way the Lord did not force His salvation on anyone, He neither forces anyone to remain in the covenant.





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That one does not seem to do the job.





Our salvation cannot be removed. However, we can give it up.