Sunday, February 7, 2010

A question about the false teaching that God is a trinity .?

Romans 1:18-25 niv


18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities鈥攈is eternal power and divine nature鈥攈ave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.


21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.





24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator鈥攚ho is forever praised. Amen





Does the trinity fit this scripture as Christians worship Jesus not God the creator ?


We all should know that God created Jesus , Col 1:15-20 makes it clear Jesus was the first of all Gods creations.A question about the false teaching that God is a trinity .?
Still at it? Leave Christians alone your boring everyone...








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Yeah that's why I answered.....The 2points.... you got me.....





Actually I answered because I wanted Christians to know that even though I am not of the same faith I find your continuous berating and condescending attitude towards their beliefs trite.A question about the false teaching that God is a trinity .?
God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three separate individuals who are one in purpose. So yes, the ideal of them being the same individual is a contradiction that people have to learn to see past.
Just because one belief has a stupid teaching doesn't mean that yours is any more believable.
what are you talking about?





this passage talks about the wickedness of man and his sinful selfish desires.....where do you draw out the Trinity?
christians usually worship both
You're right. My bishop went over this too a few weeks ago in Church. The trinity just doesn't make sense.
God, Jesus and Holy Spirit are all ONE!





Read Genesis: ';We created man in our image';
Colossians 1:15-20


15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:





16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:





17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.





18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.





19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;





20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven





sorry this doesnt say anything about Jesus being Created...Just that He is the firstborn(the leader, the head) of Creation...nothing about Him being Created...in fact the BIble is very clear that Jesus is One with God and Is in Fact God in the Flesh





In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1


And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14





(notice Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father..He was not Created as we are but He eternally proceeds forth from the Father)





I am the LORD[JEHOVAH] : that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8


And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5


(notice Jehovah God says He will not give His Glory to another...yet Jesus makes the bold claim that HE had Gods Glory before the world was even Created)





For thou shalt worship no other god[EL]: for the LORD[Jehovah], whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Exodus 34:14


For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God[EL], The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Isaiah 9:6


Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. Matthew 14:33


(notice here that God gives the command NOT to worship another El...in Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called a Mighty El...and here in Matthew 14:33 he openly recieves worship without rebuke...1 of 2 things is the case here...either Jesus is God and received worship justly...or Jesus sinned by freely allowing others to worship Him...but as we know Jesus lived a perfect sinless life on Earth.








Thus saith the LORD[JEHOVAH] the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD[JEHOVAH] of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6


And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:17-18


(here God says I am the first and i am the last, yet Jesus makes the claim that HE is the First and the Last...either Jesus really is the First being that He is God...or He is lying and he is the 2nd...God being the 1st then Jesus.








And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16








But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8





Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:5-6





The Bible makes it very clear who Jesus is...He is Son of God...God in the Flesh...Jesus is God according to the Bible
I'm not sure if I follow your line of thinking here.





You reject trinitarian theology (established in the creed by the authority of the council of Nicea 327ad) yet accept the scriptures (canonized by the same authority at the councils of hippo and carthage in 393 and 397ad respectfully) as legitimate?





The main reason the councils of Orthodoxy were forced to define the creed and the canon was because there was uncertainty in the community. God didn't drop a book from the sky nor did Christ write a theological treatise. The canons and creeds were historical developments in the life of the church. I don't understand how anyone can accept later historical developments (the canon) as authoritive, while rejecting earlier rulings as un-authorative.
The entire context of the Bible needs to be considered concerning the concept of a Triune God. We believe that God is one Being or essence in three Persons--Father, Son and Holy Spirit.





Colossians 1:16 states very clearly that Jesus was the Creator.


Firstborn cannot mean that Christ was created, because Paul says that all creation was made in and for Christ, and that he exists before all creation and holds it together. The ';firstborn'; traditionally was the main heir. In context Paul is saying that Christ, as God's Son, is the main heir of all creation (vs. 12-14).





Jesus is equal to God. Phil. 2:6


Jesus is God. John 10:30-33,38; 12:45; 14:1-11


Jesus is the image of God, the exact representation of God, reflects God and reveals God to us. John 1:18; 14:9


He came from heaven, not the earth. 1 Cor. 15:47


He is Lord of all. Rom. 9:5; 10:11-13; Rev. 1:5; 17:14


He is completely holy. Heb. 7:26-28; 1 Pet. 1:19; 2:22; 1 John 3:5


He has the authority to judge the world. Rom. 2:16; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1








http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/e鈥?/a> (concept of Trinity)





Online resource: ';The Trinity,'; a pamphlet by Rose Publishing. Very thorough and downloadable free or for a few dollars.


http://www.rose-publishing.com/productde鈥?/a>
why the f*** would you care about this bulls*** anyways?

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