Sunday, February 7, 2010

Is the belief that Jesus is God the single most disastrous ideology/false teaching perpetrated by Western man?

How is it possible to conclude that Jesus is God from reading the New Testament? Why do people think that ';Logos'; in John 1:1 is the same as God as opposed to the mind of God?Is the belief that Jesus is God the single most disastrous ideology/false teaching perpetrated by Western man?
no wonder you're a mouthbreather! your entire cranial capacity is full of crap and probably your sinuses too. If you can't compare the untold millions killed by the atheistic governments of Stalin or Mao or fill in the blank to the untold millions of dollars and lives devoted to feeding the hungry , clothing the naked %26amp; befriending the prisoners in honor of their living Savior then you're blazing new territory for stupidity.you're a piss poor excuse for a joke......MB the grip is that you asked 2 questions and the lead question (single most disastrous!!!) is so infammatory (and frankly idiotic) that the second is almost invisibleIs the belief that Jesus is God the single most disastrous ideology/false teaching perpetrated by Western man?
are you really a christian ? or a JW

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Why do you think it's disastrous?





Wouldn't you have to get past the first verse of John before you reach even a vague sort of conclusion about whether Jesus is God or not? Wouldn't you need more context than a single Greek word?





As one example of the bible saying Jesus is God, found a few verses later, how about John 1:14, which says:





';And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth';
No, we've done worse...


much worse....
umm thats a lot of big words but if i understand correctly your saying that jesus being god is all made up then i'm saying that is definitely not true. believing in GOD takes faith. when it comes to GOD all the answers can't be answered but if you believe you just know. i hope you have a close relationship with him





and if i totally miss understand your question sorry.
Yes. Because male authority figures project the authority of the male. ';God is me';, ergo ';I am god';, but not in the enlightened sense!
The whole bible being inspired by God and the god of Moses being the same as the God of Jesus rank right up there with yours. Jesus refutes them all in the Apocryphon of John. Ignorance is HELL!
The Catholic Church officially professes that Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father. God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God. Begotten, not made. One in being with the Father. Through him all things were made.





Before he was incarnated, Jesus was eternally begotten of the same uncreated, godly ';essence'; as his Father, through a process of which we have no knowledge.





Same ';essence'; ... same God.





The Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, in a similar mysterious way.





Again, same ';essence'; ... same God.





This was further reinforced by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and that's why it has been a dogma of the church, ever since.





Three divine and distinct persons ... constituting the one true God.
Everyone already gets the idea that you don't believe in God. We all get it that you


are your own little anti-christ. You have the Biblical literacy of a grapefruit, and the faith of a fencepost. The beauty of Christianity is that you get to sail your own ship. If you want to sail yours straight to hell, hey, have a good trip, Captain.
Just an invention, that will go the way of mythology one day!
Yes
Jesus is God.





And from the tone of your question and your comment afterwards, it seems to me like you aren't a Christian and perhaps you've never even met a Christian.





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Jesus is the Son of God, not God himself. At John 10:36, he told his opposers: ';I am God's Son.';





Jesus and his Father are not equals. At John 17:3, Jesus called his Father the only true God. At John 14:28, Jesus said: ';The Father is greater than I am.';





At John 20:17, Jesus told Mary: ';I am going to my God and your God.'; Was Jesus going to himself? No, he was going to his God.





In John 1:1, how could the Word be with God and be God at the same time? The NWT says it best that the Word was a god.
You know, I give up! People are going to believe what ever they are going to believe! If someone believes that Jesus is God, then they'll probably should become a Sumerian. Maybe we should embrace some ancient Babylonian Religion (Nimrod's namely) since this whole concept of Son is God originates from there! (Look it up in Wikipedia, those who are serious.
No. The belief in Hell is.
To quote Jefferson:





';the belief in jesus as the son of god will go the way of minerva springing from the head of zeus';
Jesus is God because Jesus is God's son born from a Virgin... if you do know what that is... quite fascinating indeed!! So yip Jesus is definatly God!!! :))).. and. I've never met anyone who has rose again from the dead.. so I'm lucky to have a personal relationship with my Creator :)
';Christianity...[has become] the most perverted system that ever shone on man....Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.'; ------ Thomas Jefferson





';In every country and in every age the PRIEST has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.'; – Thomas Jefferson





“There is strong reason to believe that St. Paul fabricated the belief system of Christianity from Zoroastrian mythology. In order to hide Paul’s plaigerism… Christians burned the library of Alexandria in 390 A.D. Books in that library kept Mithra’s original story of what Pauline Doctrine is an almost exact copy. (George Sarton , Introduction to History of Sciences) ,





“The son-ship of Jesus Christ is the greatest fiction of human history.” (Lord Bishop of Canterbury Commission, the Spiritual Head of England, 1910.)





“The son-ship of Jesus Christ, the Trinity, the blood sacrifice of the lamb of God, atonement are not the teachings of Jesus. These are all inventions of Saint Paul who never really met Jesus.” (Hastings Rashdall, The Theory of Good and Evil)





“In the Christian world, you do not talk about God, when talking of god. Every Christian talks about his or her own conception of God “ (Nicholas Berdyeau, Destiny of Man.)





';The New Testament is mysteriously silent about Jesus between twelve and thirty years. I wonder what the Son of God had been doing on God's earth during that time ! '; (Max Marshall, The Great Fiction)





“I counted 30,000 contradictions in the New Testament. (Dr. Maile, Confessions of a Sceptic)





';Initially there were 34 gospels that were compiled by word of mouth. Four were chosen for unclear reasons and 30 were left behind [burned]. (Encyclopedia Britannica)





';Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic but the gospels were written in Greek ! A man in Jerusalem wrote Messiah's Biography on hearsay. That is what the gospel is. (Martin Springler, A Quest for Truth)





“Few scholars can disagree that the fourth gospel was written by some nameless mystic between 95 to 125 C.E. “ (Dr. W.R. Inge, The Fall of Idols)





';All the gospels - Matthew, Luke and John openly contradict each other. ( Earnest Renan, Essay on Nationality)








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1) Nope, I would say that would be atheism.


2) Because of Peter's confession, applying attributes that only God can have to Jesus, Jesus' ';I AM'; statements, Jesus' ability to forgive ALL sin, and the prologue of Gospel of John.


3) Because the Word WAS God and the Word was WITH God.
Remember it was first perpetrated by Eastern man.


I agree that nowhere in the New Testament Jesus said that he was God and the Trinity is very confusing; however, this seemingly false ideology is far from being disastrous to Western Man. The ideology that Mohammad is a prophet of God is far more disastrous.

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